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Postby maverickdoc » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 10:25:53

John Bolton and the Road to Tehran$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]John Bolton and the Road to Tehran
The appointment of John Bolton tells the whole story. They'll be no peace in the Middle East or at the United Nations. Negotiation isn't even on Bolton's resume. He's been dispatched to the UN for one reason: to pave the way for an American attack on Iran; period! His appointment puts a fierce Bush loyalist at the epicenter of international diplomacy where he can wage the rhetorical battles that will precede a June date with Tehran. We can set aside the foolish notion that Bush has changed his spots and become more conciliatory. With Bolton on the Security Council we can be sure that the lunatic neocon strategy will go forward and won't be derailed by pleas for peace. ...
Volatility in the oil markets and a soft dollar are forcing Washington to execute its plans sooner than predicted. As America's economic situation becomes increasingly more tenuous, and interest rates start to climb, the administration will undoubtedly take advantage of its last chance to lash out at Iran before things at home begin to unravel. Look for the first bombs to be dropped in June.....
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Postby maverickdoc » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 10:30:05

8O look at the last 4 post here
http://www.peakoil.com/post72215.html#72215

All just coincidences, or is someone making up conspiracy theories again :-D
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Postby spear » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 15:17:04

this may sound crazy but I´ll throw it out there anyway.

3/11-Madrid
6/11-?
9/11-N.Y.
Tell me Im crazy.
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Postby stu » Tue 15 Mar 2005, 15:35:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('spear', 't')his may sound crazy but I´ll throw it out there anyway.

3/11-Madrid
6/11-?
9/11-N.Y.
Tell me Im crazy.


Date of attack on New York and Washington: 9/11

Date of attack on Madrid: 3/11

Days between attacks: 911

Number of emergency services in USA:911

Date of murder of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn: 5/6

Date of murder of Dutch Film maker Theo Van Gogh:11/2

Days between murders: 911

Number of emergency services in Holland: 112

Sceptic will say: Co-incidence

Conspiracy theorist will say: Whatever suits their belief.
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Re: John Bolton and the Road to Tehran

Postby Euric » Sun 27 Mar 2005, 20:35:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('maverickdoc', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
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John Bolton and the Road to Tehran


Look for the first bombs to be dropped in June.....



Something doesn't add up here. The US is threatening an attack of Iran supposedly to begin in June using the excuse of nuclear weapon development. No one disagrees that it would be years before Iran would be capable of even testing a nuclear weapon of its own design. So what good would it do Iran to develop such weapons if they knew that doing so would facilitate an attack on them? And even if they agreed to stop (assuming they actually are developing such weapons), what guarantees would they have that an American invasion would be called off?

So, why aren't the Mullahs worried? Why aren't they doing whatever is in their power to ask openly for international help to make a case against the US? Why are they continuosly defying the US despite the supposed odds against them? What do they have to gain?

The only thing that makes sense in all of this is that Iran already has nuclear weapons capable of doing some severe damage to the American invaders. The US may be conducting spying missions on Iran but that doesn't mean the Iranians don't have the means to let the American spies see what they want them to see. The Iranians (as well as their EU, Russian and Chinese suppporters) are relying on the America's Achilles' heel, its abundant arrogance to lead the US into a trap that if successful will end once and for all America's plans for world domination.
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Postby savethehumans » Mon 28 Mar 2005, 03:14:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')he administration will undoubtedly take advantage of its last chance to lash out at Iran before things at home begin to unravel.


Too true. Too scarily true! :shock:
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Postby gg3 » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 09:13:05

Iran doesn't have A-bombs. But they probably have the M-bomb. Money as weapon, wielded via countries that are dependent on their oil and holding lots and lots of US equity and debt.

All the Iranians have to do is ring up their friends in China for example, and say "let the debt-dumping begin!" and then China dumps a few hundred million in T-bills as a warning shot across Washington's bow.

You can believe this will happen if there's any serious threat of a US attack on Iran.
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Postby Doly » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 09:30:50

I agree on the M-bomb concept. I disagree on the specific form it would take. I think Iran would call Russia, Venezuela and some other oil-producing countries and would say: "Let's sell oil in euros from now on!"
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Postby Grimnir » Mon 20 Jun 2005, 19:21:46

Just saw this on MSNBC: :lol:

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But seriously, the Democrats have managed to delay his nomination so far, but how long can they keep it up? If Bolton really is as important to the US warplans as people are alleging, there's no way Bush will let up.
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Postby Hiderow » Tue 21 Jun 2005, 08:54:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'D')ate of attack on New York and Washington: 9/11
Date of attack on Madrid: 3/11 --snip--
Sceptic will say: Co-incidence
Conspiracy theorist will say: Whatever suits their belief.

Check these out also, I think you'll find they all check out $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '9')-11-1609 Henry Hudson sailed into New York harbor and discovers Manhattan Island and the Hudson River.

9-11-1777 - The first day the American flag was used in battle at the Battle of Brandywine

9-11-1922 The Balfour Declaration is proclaimed in Palestine on September 11, 1922, The keystone political event leading to the creation of Israel.

9-11-1941 - Construction of Pentagon begins

911 - US emergency response number (adopted 1968)

9-11-1972 - Saw the closing ceremony of the Munich Olympic Games tainted by the birth of modern terrorism, as it is understood today.

9-11-1990 - President George Bush Snr. announces a new political idea at the United Nations, a New World Order.

9-11-1994 - Pilot steals a cessna and crashes it (alleged suicide) onto White House Lawn, (crashes at 01.49AM 9-12-1994).

9-11-1995 - Ramsai Achmed Yusef convicted of 1993 WTC bombings

9-11-1999 - According to Hebrew scriptures September 11, 1999 was the 6,000th anniversary of Adam's creation, and year 1 on the Hebrew calendar.

9-11-2001 - Premeditated mass murder in the USA

9-11-2002 - NY State Lottery turns up winning numbers 9-1-1.

9-11-2002 - The S&P 500 index closed at exactly 9.11.00. points.

3-11-2004 - Premeditated mass murder in Madrid 911 days after Sept 11 2001.

The SARS outbreak was traced back to a Hong Kong hotel room ... No. 911

I've calculated forward 911 days from the Madrid bombing, just for the hell of it, and it comes out as September 7th 2006.
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UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby rogerhb » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 01:23:18

Kofi Annan calls it a disgrace.

UN envoys agree reform blueprint

Neville Chamberlein was a strong-man dictator in comparison to the rest of the UN.
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby Chicagoan » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 01:59:21

Wow, the world government agreed to accept more power? Now that is a surprise. :roll:
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby rogerhb » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 02:02:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chicagoan', 'W')ow, the world government agreed to accept more power? Now that is a surprise. :roll:


Shame it didn't come with responsibility, funny, we've been seeing alot of that recently.
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby backstop » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 02:04:48

Rogerhb -that has to be by far the strongest criticism any Secretary General has ever made publicly of any of the nations' decisions. Remains to be seen how this blue print gets developed in practice . . .
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby OilsNotWell » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 02:13:11

That quote from Bolton: "This is not the alpha and omega and we never thought it would be" is disturbing.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')evelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, (WEB)
--snip--
I am the Alpha and the Omega, beginning and end, saith the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is coming -- the Almighty.' (YLT)

Alpha is the first letter of the greek alphabet, and Omega is the last. It's in Revelations, by the way. Spooky, don't you think?
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby backstop » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 02:52:00

Rogerhb -on reflection, it seems worth responding to your critique of UN member states in not resisting the US. First, I'd say I'm suprised at the fraction of the proposal they've managed to retain - negotiations have to have been very hard fought indeed.

Second, I think you may be unaware of just how brazenly the US delegates use their power in subduing sufficient states to win votes, or, more to the point, to undermine opposition before things get near a vote.

They don't just regularly twist peoples' arms in threatening loss of goodwill in totally unrelated fields, they periodically break one, "pour encourager les autres . . ." Imagine if you'd been the head of say, the Malawi delegation ?
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby rogerhb » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 05:54:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'T')hey don't just regularly twist peoples' arms in threatening loss of goodwill in totally unrelated fields, they periodically break one, "pour encourager les autres . . ."

I totally agree that this is a hard job diplomatically, and I can see Bush's rush to get Bolton in to head this document off at the pass. Unfortunately all the criticisms levelled at Bolton prior to his appointment turned out true. However, this time the sacrifice isn't just the blueprint for the UN it's quite possibly Iran itself that will be the lamb. It won't be the case that okay US can rewrite the agreements made behind the scenes for the last year but then backdown on Iran, it'll be a case of look what we got away with there, let's see how far we can push the Iran issue.
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby backstop » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 06:10:34

Rogerhb -I have some confidence that your fears are unfounded on that front - If you haven't already seen it, have a look at the latest thread on Nuking Iran. I think most of the 7 main arguments against doing so would also act, to a lesser degree of course, against a conventional attack.

What is unclear is whether, as I suspect, the US has been pushing the oil-price since 2000 while "Pushing the Chinese up a growth-curve until they go bust", and if so, whether hitting Iran might be the extension of that policy. Personally I doubt it as the consequences for the US are both incalculable and, by generating an oil embargo, economically dire. Hope for the best, & stock up on longjohns?
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby shakespear1 » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 06:11:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')esponsibility

A word frequently abused by people in high position but with no consequence unless THEY are on the losing side. :)
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Re: UN capitulated to Bolton

Postby rogerhb » Wed 14 Sep 2005, 06:18:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'H')ope for the best, & stock up on longjohns ?
...and live in the Southern Hemisphere :) $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Neville Shute', 'O')n the Beach
also The Iran Trap By Scott Ritter
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