[mermaid]

When you put one and one together you can quickly imagine that we are about to experience a human and environmental economical disaster. It is right to predict that most of the places where people live now, will be places in the future where people can't live anylonger 'cause the land can't bring food and shelter and fuel to live from.

It is about to happen soon and nobody from the world government wants to believe it.It is the world's damnation and the self-destruction of humankind.

When oil runs out, people may stand on their "rights" to cut threes and rob everything that can burn to keep themselves warm and cook. It means that in less than a year all the forests will be gone, it will mean that a drastic climate-change will follow. No other animal can survive, everything will be eaten by humans,there are too many!!!

I can't predict what will happen on political scale, there will be war about the last drip of oil and the last sigh of gas. I think we are right to fear the power of the growing economy of China and that they wll have the last word about the world's supplies oil and gas.

Places in the world where people live now by the help of oil will soon look like the Inca-cities, because the Homo Sapiens is a weak creature and can not survive in difficult environments on their own without the help of oil or other.
We also have no survial-skills, our brain lost that capacity during the time we live in houses, we don't know how to live from nature, some will know, Bush Tuckerman will survive.

It is a big doomscenario, but I think that it will not be far from reality.
I want to move to Iceland, there's enough hot water and people there are quite selfsufficient, they have sheep and ponies to live from and they eat fish, very healthy people. They grow banana's with the warmth of the hotwatersprings. Wonderfull, isn't it?hopefully my child can live his last day's on Iceland in peace............

[rogerhb]

Yes, we're about to find out who really looked after their environment and who was just paying lip service. I can see a mad scramble for the lifeboats occurring before the airlines bankrupt themselves.

Remember, women and children first.

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mermaid', '
')I want to move to Iceland...

[mermaid]

aren't you!?

[BabyPeanut]

Is this really a current events thread?

I didn't find any news being discussed.

[aldente]

What do you think is news in Island, BabyPeanut? Nothing much happened there recently other than geysirs spilling hot water and in neighboring Norway a new mini oil field has been discovered. Conoco Phillips operated Deepsee Thrym is now headed for the location to do its job and extracting what there is to extract so that more CO2 can be pumped into the atmoshere by releasing the substance for sale after refining it. The markets will suck it up...

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[Ludi]

I don't think Homo sapiens is especially more destructive than some other animals that modify their environment. It's our culture, the current dominant culture, that is especially destructive.

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mermaid', 'a')ren't you!?

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('albente', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mermaid', 'a')ren't you!?

[aldente]

It was a pleasure to have you up here on visit. We PeakOilers are a rare breed and it's good to see the person behind the posts.

[mermaid]

Sorry, but i can not think of any creature that is as even destructive as the homo sapiens, everything man did was the beginning of the end of nature. This has nothing to do with culture, culture is a second degree, culture is also made by man. You can say that there are other dominant species which dominate some places or habitats, but no-other specie has ever threathened it's own environment as humanbeing.

And the biggest problem is not that we are running out of energie, the thing is that we are running out of everything like Mexico-City is running out of water and the town is sinking in the earth 'cause of drying up.
and I can give more examples of running out sources because there are toooooo many of those homo sapiens!! including me!!
I think that our number drastical will getting lower because live is gonna get more and more tough, oil has made us lazy, and when oil has ran out, we really have to work!!! and it will cost lives, when somebody is sick, he won't be nursed by government, so die or get well and work!!!otherwise you cannot stay here.

The whole society tolerates at this moment, but when humans really have to fight for their existance....I don't know, there will be no society any longer. it will be zero tolerance!!
So you 'll better be in a place where you are alone or with a few of your nearest family than in a crowded place like every town in the world. You better have a little farm and a fishingrod so you can take care of yourself. our house is for sale at the moment and we won't buy another we are gonna rent for a while to find out where we want to stay in the future and to be selfsufficient. and maybe it won't be Belgium....(also crowded...)

[arocoun]

As Ludi said, it's our current culture--our current civilization--that makes humans destroyers. We lived in relative harmony with our envirionment for millions of years, and it is only with the advancement of this imperialist, greedy culture that we are destroyers.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arocoun', 'A')s Ludi said, it's our current culture--our current civilization--that makes humans destroyers. We lived in relative harmony with our envirionment for millions of years, and it is only with the advancement of this imperialist, greedy culture that we are destroyers.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('arocoun', 'A')s Ludi said, it's our current culture--our current civilization--that makes humans destroyers. We lived in relative harmony with our envirionment for millions of years, and it is only with the advancement of this imperialist, greedy culture that we are destroyers.

[bodigami]

It's interesting to contemplate the possibility of the extinction of my own specie. We may be able to survive the die-off and human mind may evolve. But for this thought experiment lets assume homo sapiens will become extinct, with some other species, some decades from now. What will be the value of that? Let's assume also that there's some system that is the whole of Earth, including the biosphere, climate, magnetism, light and other forces that are part of Earth, that in a way is an organism itself: Gaia.

This may also have some form of memory of all life, all organism that has evolved or gone extinct. And, AFAIK, there has being not one other species that contemplates about its own existence, and eventual death, to the extent that homo sapiens did (remember the die-off). And, then, the only worth of our species collapse will be for Gaia to NEVER make the same mistake again!

Now, this does not imply that our level of intelligence will never reappear in another specie. But, it will be done in a way that the evolution of intelligence is acompanied with the evolution of wisdom in this new specie. And many millions of years from now, maybe that specie will take the place that we could have got... to be the neural network of Earth itself.

Sure, there are a lot of big ifs... but it's fun to think about this out loud...

[seldom_seen]

zensui, the problem I see with this post is that you seem to think that humans and "human intelligence" somehow exist apart, and separate from the earth and the cosmos.

There's a good chance that today you ate either, corn, wheat, eggs, chicken, beef or fish. So couldn't I say that if you put corn inside a human it becomes intelligent? Is corn intelligent? I know for sure today you inhaled many breathes of oxygen, and you consumed water. So couldn't I say that the water that entered your body is intelligent water?

If you look at the science, you see that most of your body is either bacteria (9 out of 10 cells in human body are bacteria) or water. The human body is mostly water and bacteria.

So should we assume that human "intelligence" is something special or different? Isn't it just water, oxygen, corn and meat acting a little differently? If you are deprived of your intelligent oxygen, water, corn and beef. You will die. So what are you without that? It seems to me that humans are just a spasm of foodstuffs and liquids. In other words. You can't separate us, from anything else. We're not apart.

If Gaia had a language I doubt it would have a word for "species." It wouldn't have an incessant need to categorize, classify and separate everything. That is just a nervous habit of humans who seem to have found themselves lost and alone in the universe.

[vetusfirma]

You really need to get beyond the sophomore syndrome and find a purpose for your life. Really, grow up.

[wisconsin_cur]

Open discussion is just that, a place to have an open discussion about those off-topic issues that one maight want to bring up with those who are members of the site.

We are also free to be dismissive of one another and not participate in a conversation that we find either uninteresting or even sophmoric.

I don;t know that it adds much to the conversation to pipe in, just to call someone sophmoric.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'Y')ou really need to get beyond the sophomore syndrome and find a purpose for your life. Really, grow up.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vetusfirma', 'Y')ou really need to get beyond the sophomore syndrome and find a purpose for your life. Really, grow up.