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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby AirlinePilot » Fri 09 Sep 2005, 19:01:12

Shell, Motiva is adverstising heavily here in Atlanta on two of the biggest radio stations for thier employees to check in with them if at all possible. They are offering HR resources to them and giving out contact numbers and e-mails.

I find that extremely telling about the labor dislocation. This is far from a good situation. I have to agree they are doing a really good job keeping a lid on the news and how it is affecting the market. I wonder how long that can go on??
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Storm Stretches Refiners Past a Perilous Point

Postby LadyRuby » Sat 10 Sep 2005, 22:50:05

New York Times article:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or the nation's oil refiners, Hurricane Katrina was a disaster long in the making.
Analysts and industry executives had for years feared the consequences of a storm ramming into the country's largest energy hub - a complex infrastructure that spans most of the coastline between Texas and Alabama, where nearly half of the nation's refineries are located. ... As a consequence, even though crude oil prices have fallen back to pre-Katrina levels, prices for gasoline, heating oil, diesel and jet fuel are expected to remain higher than they were before the storm for a much longer period of time. ...
Currently, four major refineries, owned by Chevron, Exxon Mobil, ConocoPhillips and Murphy Oil, are either flooded or without power, and are likely to be out of commission for several weeks, perhaps months. Together, these refine 880,000 barrels a day, or 5 percent of domestic capacity. "It's very significant," said Colm McDermott, an oil analyst at John S. Herold Inc. The loss is equal to 1 percent of the world's refining capacity. "It's a global market and that's certainly enough to have an impact on a global level." ...
Elsewhere in the world, some oil producers are planning to build new refineries. Saudi Arabia is one of them. "We cannot keep producing oil with no refineries," Ali Al-Naimi, the Saudi oil minister, told the industry newsletter Petroleum Argus a few months ago. "There is a limit."
While helpful, such moves abroad would mostly serve to shift the country's increasing reliance on foreign oil producers to a greater dependence on refiners abroad.
"We are going to be importing more products," Mr. Murphy of the American Petroleum Institute said. "That is a certainty if we don't expand our capacity. But the problem there is that you've changed one form of dependency for another."
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby smiley » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 13:31:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')NN just reported that Shell says their Mars platform will out of commission until at least next year.

On local news here Shell gave a complete update on the situation.
Mars, Ursa, and Cognac have been hammered by Katrina. The rigs have to be towed back to shore to be repaired. Since all the land based facilities and infrastructure (docks etc.) are gone it will take at least a few months before they can even start on the repairs.
Shell's share of the production is about 230.000 bd, but in total these three platforms produced 450.000 barrels a day.
No surprise that they are throwing the SPR wide open. SPR
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby backstop » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 13:39:22

It seems that even the title of the so-called Strategic Petroleum Reserve is propaganda, and that its initials ought to be S.C.O.R.
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby EnergySpin » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 13:57:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'I')t seems that even the title of the so-called Strategic Petroleum Reserve is propaganda, and that its initials ought to be S.C.O.R.

What is S.C.O.R?
All though the disaster might actually turn out to be good news as far as depletion is concerned. It created a bottleneck distal to petroleum extraction. Maybe, just maybe the rate that emissions rise will be moderated somewhat
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby smiley » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 14:00:07

He's a complete assesment of the damage by Katrina: Link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ased on information provided by operators owning platforms and leases in the Gulf of Mexico, there are at least 34 offshore platforms that have been damaged to varying degrees by Hurricane Katrina. Of those 30 platforms, reports show that 18 platforms appear to have been completely lost, while another 16 platforms have been damaged. The majority of damage has occurred on shallow water platforms, but there are a few notable exceptions.
Shell's $550 million Mars tension leg platform (TLP) was handling 147,000 barrels of oil and 157mmcfe per day from its location on Mississippi Canyon 807 before Katrina hit on Sunday. Now the platform is entirely shut-in and has experienced major damages due to the destruction of the H&P 201 platform rig that was located on its top sides. The extent of the damages to the Mars platform has yet to be ascertained, but the H&P 201 is almost certainly a total loss.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd that its initials ought to be S.C.O.R

Strategic Calmthemasses Oil Reserve ???
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby backstop » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 14:05:48

Energy Spin-
SCOR = Strategic Crude Oil Reserve !
Re a cut of global emissions, there's a clear drop in global fossil fuel usage from the '70s oil shocks visible in the graphs at Global Commons Institute. W'eve a way to go before recession bites that hard though - maybe next year?
For anyone who hasn't seen those graphs, the link is
www.gci.org.uk
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby EnergySpin » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 14:18:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'E')nergy Spin-
SCOR = Strategic Crude Oil Reserve !
Re a cut of global emissions, there's a clear drop in global fossil fuel usage from the '70s oil shocks visible in the graphs at Global Commons Institute. W'eve a way to go before recession bites that hard though - maybe next year?

I though you meant Strategic Crap Oil Reserve :P
Re: emissions there are two closely related but separate issue:
1) when less CO2 will be pumped in the atmosphere
2) when this will be detectable above noise.
If there is a refinery bottleneck and less gasoline is burned , then this (1) should start today although it might take a while before it manifests itself (2). Recession will accelerate the drop in the rate of rise (we have to remember that CO2 will keep rising albeit at a slower rate).
Unless they find a way to dump crude in auto ICEs .. the drop will start soon IMHO but will be evident early next year. Mind you that we have to take into account an expected drop in agricultural output /farming in the US. Apparently fertilizers will be more expensive less year ..leading to a drop in their use and a decrease in agro-CO2 emissions both directly (decreased intensity of farming) and indirectly (less NG burnt for fertilizers)
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby LadyRuby » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 19:36:14

And with all this, the EIA says we'll be back up to full production by the end of the year. Unbelievable! (In many ways that is.)
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby tokyo_to_motueka » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 21:10:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'A')nd with all this, the EIA says we'll be back up to full production by the end of the year. Unbelievable! (In many ways that is.)

i wonder what their definition of "full production" is?

"all the production we were doing, minus the production we can't do anymore"

i wish they'd just stick to giving us some numbers, so we can call them liars without having to wade through all this PR spin that only morons would take at face value anyway.
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby rogerhb » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 21:16:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tokyo_to_motueka', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'A')nd with all this, the EIA says we'll be back up to full production by the end of the year. Unbelievable! (In many ways that is.)

i wonder what their definition of "full production" is?
"all the production we were doing, minus the production we can't do anymore"
i wish they'd just stick to giving us some numbers, so we can call them liars without having to wade through all this PR spin that only morons would take at face value anyway.

I'm presuming they don't include Iraq in "full production".
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby Armageddon » Sun 11 Sep 2005, 23:52:27

after reading this thread, i will ask you guys who abviousely know way more than i do, what do you think the results from the damage and destruction done by katrina will have in the immediate and long term future ? it seems we are going to be in huge trouble when all this takes effect . i know the spr has calmed the markets temporarily.
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby tokyo_to_motueka » Mon 12 Sep 2005, 00:23:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '[')I'm presuming they don't include Iraq in "full production".

they're only talking about US domestic crude (and refining) production.

this is the EIA, not the IEA... :roll:

(starting to sound like a Sex Pistols song... :lol: )
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby LadyRuby » Mon 12 Sep 2005, 00:51:13

Here's the EIA's rosy figure from the new short-term outlook report:
EIA$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or this month’s Outlook, EIA has established three basic scenarios to represent a range of plausible outcomes for oil and natural gas supply over the next several months and through 2006. The three scenarios are: Fast Recovery, which assumes a very favorable set of circumstances for getting supplies back to normal; Slow Recovery, which assumes that significant outages in oil and natural gas production and delivery from the Gulf area continue at least into November; and Medium Recovery, which assumes a path in between Slow and Fast Recovery. In all cases, return to normal operations, in terms of oil and natural gas production and distribution, is achieved or nearly achieved by December. By the end of September all but about 0.9 million barrels per day of crude oil refining capacity is expected to be back at full rates under the Medium Recovery case.

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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby Xelat » Mon 12 Sep 2005, 01:02:04

At the follwing: Bloomberg
you will find that the Shell Mars Platform may not be online until 06. That's 220,000 barrels less daily of domestic production or 1% of domestic consumption. That, coupled with Thuderhorse being late, seems to suggest that there is no way we could be back to "normal" by New Years. One might further suggest that existing declining prodction will not be offset by new production at the "normal" rate since the oil industry has to repair all this shit first.
I assume "normal" means something like "what we would have produced had we not had any hurricanes whatsoever and the moon was made of cheese".
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby backstop » Mon 12 Sep 2005, 01:11:35

Lady Ruby -Unless I misunderstand these graphs they aren't rosy, they're utter nonsense.
1/. They show 3 possible values for Sept 5th, a week ago. It is surely absurd to say that they don't have the data ?
2/. They show a single data set per month, not even per week, thus avoiding showing the trough of closure and progress since then.
3/. Their solid intermediate projection (as opposed to dotted best & worst cases), is not intermediate but hugs the best case asap.
If the US energu brokers reading this were worth their salaries, surely they would be worried by the obvious obscurantism, not calmed by its rosiness ?
I know for a fact that such a projection would be laughed at in the London brokerages.
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Edit Add : I have indeed misread 05 to mean 5th. Please ignore item one, my oops - :P
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby UncoveringTruths » Mon 12 Sep 2005, 10:34:26

Link- Critical energy port at half capacity until at least Wednesday
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ntergy Corp. has told officials here that it will be Wednesday at the earliest before Port Fourchon is fully powered. Utility crews from across the nation are working to fix power lines that run along Louisiana 1, a two-lane road surrounded by marshlands that connects Fourchon and Grand Isle, La., to drier ground north.

I don't get this Statement? Protect it from what?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')eanwhile, National Guard troops have been deployed to protect a pumping station for the LOOP pipeline that transports crude oil from an offshore off-loading facility to a salt dome for storage in Galliano.
“It’s a show of force,” said Lt. Sean McClellan of Lafayette. “We don’t want anyone coming in here.”
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby Eli » Mon 12 Sep 2005, 10:52:12

I think you have to tie that report in with the millitants in SA targeting oil infrastructure.

If I was a terrorsit I would go after the port of Houston and some Texas City refineries. Sounds like the LOOP is out as an easy target. Hitting Texas production and refining would be a deadly kick in the yarballs for the US.
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby Armageddon » Mon 12 Sep 2005, 16:33:47

Link after reading, im really freaked out. it seems we are in trouble quicker than i had realized. i think 2006 is going to be a very precarious year.
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Re: Katrina - Oil Infrastructure

Postby Carrie » Mon 12 Sep 2005, 20:03:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')ttp://pesn.com/2005/09/11/9600163_Katrina_Oil_Aftermath/

after reading, im really freaked out. it seems we are in trouble quicker than i had realized. i think 2006 is going to be a very precarious year.

I saw this article too (it was posted), but the comments in response mentioned that the source (Pure Energy Systems) has a credibility problem. Since the claims are pretty alarming, I'd be curious to hear other people's opinions of it.
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