[aldente]

[rogerhb]

Damn, I thought you were going to claim yourself as the "New Messiah".

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He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy.

[MicroHydro]

Humans will remain in the hundreds of millions. What will vanish is the 20th century world of cheap energy, abundant consumer goods, and cheap food.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'H')umans will remain in the hundreds of millions. What will vanish is the 20th century world of cheap energy, abundant consumer goods, and cheap food.

[CeeCee]

When I was a little kid I used to have a recurring nightmare about an enormous, enormous tyre (perhaps 4 stories high) that rolled and rumbled ominously over the horizon and into view, towards me, and then with a deafening roar it squashed - with utter destruction, precision and 'meaninglessness'- a beautiful, perfect little cottage with pretty and innocent flowers and a white picket fence.
I always woke up with such horror and desperation after that! I ran to Mum and she gave me a hot chocko, in the middle of the night, many times.
And I could never bring myself to have a home with a white picket fence, for that reason!!!
When I first heard about peak oil, I vividly remembered that dream- the tyre signifying oil and the automobile etc, and the cottage symbolising the western dream world, and the innocence within it.
So maybe it was a dream about peak oil.

[wildsparrow]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CeeCee', '
')When I first heard about peak oil, I vividly remembered that dream- the tyre signifying oil and the automobile etc, and the cottage symbolising the western dream world, and the innocence within it.
So maybe it was a dream about peak oil.

[CeeCee]

That was very perceptive for a young age. I didn't get that awareness until last year- I now see suburbs in terms of "where's the food"???? Where are the fruit trees, where are the gardens... ????" I grew up on a suburban culdesac in Canada- I remember it being a wonderful place to grow up, but I remember being glad we didn't live on a long straight road.

I went back to Canada for a visit in 1995 and couldn't believe that so many suburban homes don't have ordinary old-fashioned fireplaces. I'm not sure what they rely on for heating, but there was no provision for the good old 'manual back-up'. This time last year I wrote a letter to my friend in Canada and urged her to stock up on extra firewood. I felt a bit dopey doing it but found I couldn't not do it. She didn't mind, though.

So anyone reading this who lives in a suburban house in North America, or anywhere in the world for that matter, and who is facing a cold winter, without a fireplace- please get one installed (or a log burner) and stock up on firewood, just in case.

[CarlinsDarlin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'i')'ve always wished for a world without humans. It's coming.

[aldente]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlinsDarlin', '
')Nope, I'd rather not get rid of all the humans, just the greedy, stupid "users" - those who consume endlessly without ever giving anything back, thinking all the while that they somehow deserve everything they're taking.
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[felixdz]

A world without humans is pretty unlikely. As Stewart Brand pointed out. Humans are more like cockroaches than Polar Bears. We can live in a wide range of environmental niches not just one.

Mind you there will be a lot less of us.

[Raxozanne]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('felixdz', ' ')As Stewart Brand pointed out. Humans are more like cockroaches than Polar Bears. We can live in a wide range of environmental niches not just one.

[frost667]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'i')'ve always wished for a world without humans. It's coming.

[ohanian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'i')'ve always wished for a world without humans. It's coming.

[MD]

This thread includes those who wish for human extinction and those who wish for the extinction of those with opposing world views.

I want no part of either vision.

[peaker_2005]

What I would rather see is not a world that is free of humans. What kind of world would this be?
No person to relate to, none to share experiences.
Rather, it would be condemnation to an existence of solitude.

The end of greed, the end of pointless pursuance of the material is what needs to occur.
The end of "keeping up with the Joneses" and the schmoes.

I would rather see the end of the evil natures that have plagued humankind throughout its existence.

Myself, I've always liked trains. Ever since I was a little kid. I used to like Thomas the tank engine. (lol!).

I've always, deep down, felt there should be more of them around given the population of cities. Sydney, where I've lived for my whole life, is currently at about 4.2 million people. In that area, maybe half a million use trains, and a million total mass transit?

I've always had a sense of "something's not quite right here. I live in the suburbs, but would like to live in the inner city. (I'm fortunate that a rail line serves this area. The line is so well patronised that it's usually full by my station (only 4th on the line). With Peak Oil, we're probably going to need a second line heading down here.

[Ludi]

Why do people wish for a world without humans and then feel the need to tell other humans about this wish?

I love humans, individually, and care about them as a species as much as I care about all other species. I don't get along with people very well and tend to be a hermit, but I don't wish for everyone to go away just because I don't get along with them.

I wish for a world in which humans can live in a way that's better for them and other species. The current dominant culture isn't very good for people (too stressful) and extremely bad for many other species.

[PonyBoy78]

I remember in high school I saw a movie called "Earth and the American Dream." It highlighted the history of our industrial revolution, mass production, urban sprawl of the 1950's, all the way up to modern times, giving explicit detail about how much we're tearing-apart the planet to keep-up this lifestyle. It was quite an eye-opener.

Even though my thoughts quickly turned to other teenager pursuits, that film still stuck in the back of my mind. We can't maintain this lifestyle much longer, PO or not. Something's gonna give, and it'll end-up biting us humans in the ***.

[CarlinsDarlin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his thread includes those who wish for human extinction and those who wish for the extinction of those with opposing world views.
I want no part of either vision.