[gluc0se]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin', 'B')ut, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you figure out ways to get stuff done.

Then they told me that they went overnight, and they built 17 concrete structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop them.

I flew over that thing yesterday, and it's in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here.

[Raxozanne]

What!!!???

You mean to tell me that necessity isn't necessarily the mother of invention?

No I'm sure that's not right, surely THEY'LL THINK OF SOMETHING at the last minute.

[linlithgowoil]

im confident that we'll come up with something. not to continue the way we are going right now - i.e. consumerism at any expense, but a way in which to make sure there is no die off.

we can do it if we want to but will america willingly accept a lower standard of living in order to prevent poor people dying? dont know about that.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gluc0se', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin', 'B')ut, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you figure out ways to get stuff done.

Then they told me that they went overnight, and they built 17 concrete structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop them.

I flew over that thing yesterday, and it's in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here.

[Macsporan]

This is proof that the present regime in the US is in the habit of appointing incompetent windbags to high positions, nothing more.

There is nothing here that a change of government, a purge of inept hacks and the promotion of capable men and the restoring of cut budgets and a little time won't fix.

When it becomes necessary to do these things there is a strong chance that the necessary leadership will emerge.

Especially if all you American POers agitate furiously that it does.

This is admittedly harder than whining about the world and congratulating each other on how sophisticated and superior we all are in consigning billions to a horrible death, but it is far more productive.

Especially if you enjoy being alive yourself.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'i')m confident that we'll come up with something. not to continue the way we are going right now - i.e. consumerism at any expense, but a way in which to make sure there is no die off.

we can do it if we want to but will america willingly accept a lower standard of living in order to prevent poor people dying? dont know about that.

[richardmmm]

what's going on in NO. is some kind of heel dragging political manoevering.

it's about getting total federal control of the state or something.

i think they are trying out a strategy to see how badly they can mess things up so the local government caves in.

plus i hate to say it but the population is 67% african american.....so frankly no one gives a damn.

pull a stunt like this in Boston or Hartford and they'd be marching the streets of washington to ransack the whitehouse.

how is it possible that they waited a week to send the hostipal ship down there ? It should have been prepared and set sail while the hurricane was coming in.........

how is it possible that they didn't get some big ass diesel generators in there to power the superdome aircon.

how is it possible that they couldn't airlift some food over to the superdome on monday evening / tuesday morning.

you put some staff on, you clean the toilets, you pump some water into the place, you fire up generators you make the place workable. in 24hours basically by tuesday morning this could have been easily taken care of. frankly if the major or the governor had any balls he would have set up an office there and overseen the whole operation.

they did jack shit.

i can't see someone like Rudi Guilani handling it such a lame ass way can you ?

there is obviously some twisted politics going on between the major the governor of LA and the federal government.

why weren't troops locked and loaded and ready to move in on sunday night..............as soon as the hurricane passed the convoys could have rolled in.

i mean ok, it hit a relatively large area, but they could have had everything lined up in Houston or Dallas and been into NO by Monday afternoon.

it's not hard the US has huge resources, even with troops overseas.

it's just a total lack of balls, lack of hardheaded leadership, lack of humanity.

just limp dick politicans shuffling about.

[Macsporan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'i')m confident that we'll come up with something. not to continue the way we are going right now - i.e. consumerism at any expense, but a way in which to make sure there is no die off.

we can do it if we want to but will america willingly accept a lower standard of living in order to prevent poor people dying? dont know about that.

[Jaymax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gluc0se', 'I')'m not saying it's completely identical, but it does go to show that when that fateful day comes, and we either have enough energy or we don't, that doesn't mean we will suddenly be able to develop an alternative, just because we finally have no other options (as some people suggest...).

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'I')'d go so far as to say, a couple of decades past peak, transport energy will be in greater supply and cost less per unit energy than it did the week-before-last.

[JustinFrankl]

History is littered with societies that imploded, collapsed, were assimilated, eaten, or abandoned. What happened to the necessity they should have had in order to solve their problems and survive?

A feeling of necessity is insufficient. It takes at least necessity, will, and available energy/resources. Some people here see the necessity. Few people in general have the will. As for available energy and resources, well that's the debate currently still in process.

My vote still falls on the side of, "no, we don't have the resources to equitably address this problem within the system".

[linlithgowoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') certainly wouldn't accept a lower standard of living. I see no reason to do so.

Why should we "make sure there is no die off"? That's the fundamental question.

[Jaymax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'I')'d go so far as to say, a couple of decades past peak, transport energy will be in greater supply and cost less per unit energy than it did the week-before-last.

[Ghog]

I am getting sick and tired of the American bashing. Not all 250 million of us drive SUVs and waste energy. Many of us garden, ride bikes and care about the environment. Don't blame all of us for a historically 'weak' government and a small percentage of arrogant internet loudmouths.

It's also hypocritical in hoping for America's collapse while fighting against a dieoff scenario. A few have called for this and a collapse will result in deaths.

We expect eveyone to work together to solve the World's problems? Get real. The generalizations on here show why that won't happen. I think those outside the US who hope for its destruction are just as poor an excuse in humanity as those American's you despise so much.

This has no place on these boards.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou're a bad man, Jack, and if you have your way, one day, in a foreign land, somebody will put a bullet through your wicked brain.

[Ghog]

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[Raxozanne]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'I')'d go so far as to say, a couple of decades past peak, transport energy will be in greater supply and cost less per unit energy than it did the week-before-last.

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'B')ecause humans (gene's/biology) are inherently selfish. We seek to provide the best immediate environment for those closest to us, especially our children.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', '
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You're a bad man, Jack, and if you have your way, one day, in a foreign land, somebody will put a bullet through your wicked brain.

In the meantime you may continue to be amusing.

[bbadwolf]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'I')'m possibly one of the most confident around here that 'necessity' will be what brings around a solution to human energy issues. I'd go so far as to say, a couple of decades past peak, transport energy will be in greater supply and cost less per unit energy than it did the week-before-last.

[Jaymax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raxozanne', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'I')'d go so far as to say, a couple of decades past peak, transport energy will be in greater supply and cost less per unit energy than it did the week-before-last.