[sjn]

Where I live there was a power cut a couple of weeks ago; immediately people were out looting and breaking things, maybe this colours my judgement, but in my opinion people are not going to be behaving well when TSHTF.

[Aaron]

I believe there are two root causes for wars.

Ideology & Resources

I can't think of any real war that does not fall into one of these categories.

In a world sharply divided by ideology, and accustomed to exponential growth, it is hard to imagine any scenario which avoids regional & even global wars, as economies falter & wide-spread poverty asserts itself

Isn't it really just a question of time?

[Ghog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'W')here I live there was a power cut a couple of weeks ago; immediately people were out looting and breaking things, maybe this colours my judgement, but in my opinion people are not going to be behaving well when TSHTF.

[Novus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ghog', '
')I see it this way as well. There are major US cities with histories of unrest that are 'due' to riot. PO will be an excuse to go out and 'get' a new tv.

[Andrew_S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'W')here I live there was a power cut a couple of weeks ago; immediately people were out looting and breaking things, maybe this colours my judgement, but in my opinion people are not going to be behaving well when TSHTF.

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Andrew_S', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'W')here I live there was a power cut a couple of weeks ago; immediately people were out looting and breaking things, maybe this colours my judgement, but in my opinion people are not going to be behaving well when TSHTF.

[Armageddon]

economic depression and collapse will happen first. it will cause PO to never happen. too much debt in the u.s. and high energy prices will cause collapse before PO happens. i have thought lot about this, and this is what i firmly believe

[rogerhb]

There will always be a mid-point of humans extraction of oil, if even the economic collapse happens first.

[americandream]

Lol...with a transient global population hungry to consume....not likely. They'll just ship more consumers into the West to make up the shortfall and keep the Asian sweatshops running at full throttle...until a key resource tails out. Then its bye bye to the awesome party we've been having.....I'm kinda sad.....

[bbadwolf]

Peak oil will never be acknowledged! There is simply no way we will get to the point of organization where we are extracting at geological maximum. There will always be another refinery fire, another hurricane, another terrorist attack, whatever. And when one of us "conspiracy theorists" mentions peak oil, they'll all chime no no, it's because of the terrorists. Look at how much production is missing because of Iraq! We could be getting more here, there, wherever. It's so and so's fault for not taking it from the Arabs fast enough.

This problem doesn't have a "workable" solution (one that allows continued wealth) and therefore can't be admitted to. The folk that "have" will NEED to find a way to "keep". Aknowledging peak oil would involve admitting that the only solution is to collectively stop pursuing wealth. Seems to me the late JC said that was something like shoving a camel through a needle, or something equally unlikely.

I suspect peak has pretty much happened and we are bouncing across a declining plateau. Demand destruction will partially hide fossil fuel production declines for periods of time but that will only bring other forms of rot to the fore.

What scares the sh** out of me is that I am suspect there is an avalanche point. We should be able to economically contract at perhaps 3% per year and sort of get by. But there is a rate where descent is too fast and everyone gives up (and turns to crime), social structure goes completely to hell and the whole thing starts looking like a sci-fi movie. What is that rate?

-bbad

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bbadwolf', 'P')eak oil will never be acknowledged! There is simply no way we will get to the point of organization where we are extracting at geological maximum. There will always be another refinery fire, another hurricane, another terrorist attack, whatever. And when one of us "conspiracy theorists" mentions peak oil, they'll all chime no no, it's because of the terrorists. Look at how much production is missing because of Iraq! We could be getting more here, there, wherever. It's so and so's fault for not taking it from the Arabs fast enough.

This problem doesn't have a "workable" solution (one that allows continued wealth) and therefore can't be admitted to. The folk that "have" will NEED to find a way to "keep". Aknowledging peak oil would involve admitting that the only solution is to collectively stop pursuing wealth. Seems to me the late JC said that was something like shoving a camel through a needle, or something equally unlikely.

I suspect peak has pretty much happened and we are bouncing across a declining plateau. Demand destruction will partially hide fossil fuel production declines for periods of time but that will only bring other forms of rot to the fore.

What scares the sh** out of me is that I am suspect there is an avalanche point. We should be able to economically contract at perhaps 3% per year and sort of get by. But there is a rate where descent is too fast and everyone gives up (and turns to crime), social structure goes completely to hell and the whole thing starts looking like a sci-fi movie. What is that rate?

-bbad

[JustinFrankl]

"The avalanche has already begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
-- Ambassador Kosh, "Babylon 5"

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustinFrankl', '"')The avalanche has already begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
-- Ambassador Kosh, "Babylon 5"

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JustinFrankl', '"')The avalanche has already begun. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
-- Ambassador Kosh, "Babylon 5"