[Specop_007]

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First off I wanted to post what REALLY is going on in this city. Please don't get this thread locked people. The news stations are only showing a minuscule of reality. This post may offend some people but I will post what I saw, like it or not it is REALITY.
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Well last night I was watching the 6pm news when they announced the 17th street canal pumps failed as well as another break in the levee. My house is right off St. Charles Ave. and up to 6pm yesterday is was the only part of the city that was dry. Since the pumps failed and the new break St. Charles Ave. would be under 9ft of water in the next 12-15hrs. My brother and I felt if we wanted to save anything we had to leave NOW. We loaded up flashlights, rope, our medical ID's, both our .45 Glocks, 2 shotguns and rode out. En-route we listened to the radio which broad casted all the news about the looters and what not, in hindsight it was a mistake. My mother didn't want us to go by dad who is a Vietnam vet told to be safe and "shoot to kill" if it ever comes to that.

One the way we had to pass 5-6 checkpoints to allow entry into the city. We stated we were medical personnel who were activated, showed our ID and off we went. On the radio reports were coming in about the officer who was shot in the head, the 2 gunman who opened fired on the NOPD station, and how looters were carjacking cars to get out of the city. This started making my brother nervous and giving seconds thoughts.

Anyway we get to the city and it looks like a freaking war zone. The best visual I can give is the movie "Blackhawk Down" when all the Somalians are rushing the city. They are people EVERYWHERE, they are pissed off, and all have weapons, 2X4's, Axes, and guns. If this wasn't bad enough we are 2 white boys in a truck in a sea several hundred armed pissed off blacks. There wasn't a white person to be found. I couldn't get over the little 8-10yr old kids with weapons, I ever saw one carry a claw hammer!

These people were absolutely nuts rammed trucks(stolen I'm sure) in to jewelry stores stealing items, they were tearing apart Wal-Mart carrying out TV's, Playstations, DVD players, etc. One lady was wheeling out an entire rack of merchandise, not sure what it was but sure wasn't clothes for food. They were all laughing and carrying on like it's freaking Christmas.

We got stuck in traffic when we see the group of guys walking down the street w/ AK-47's, at that point the "pucker factor" kicked in, a couple Glocks and shotguns were no match for that. We haul azz trying to get to Uptown when we see these people chopping down the front door w/ an axe of this $4-5 million dollar mansion on ST. Charles Ave. I was just in total awe because it was so surreal. Making matters worse it's 11pm at night there is no electricity and you really can see anything or anyone until they are right up on you.

Our plan was to be in and out in 30min, this included putting his Harley on the trailer. It would have taken me 5-10min tops to get my stuff, all I wanted was my pictures from college, my clothes/shoes, and my computer tower. Well he got scared saying we are going to get jumped while putting the bike on the trailer. Keep in mind this is the only area in the city that is dry. So just like rats who move to higher ground these people were doing the same. Word must have gotten out that Uptown was dry so there started to be a large influx of people.

Needless to say he wanted to go home rather than take our chances. While it was the smart thing to do I was beyond infuriated w/ him because we made it this far. He just kept saying our lives aren't worth it. So we turned around, our next challenge was getting out of the city while not getting jacked. Reports came out that people were jumping in the back of truck holding the drivers at gunpoint. Traffic started to slow so I just nailed it got out as fast as I could.

Even though he was the voice of reason I'm still pissed. All I have is my life and the clothes on my back. I lost my house(which is now 9ft underwater) ALL my clothes, TV, computer, furniture, and photo albums and videos from childhood and college. What makes this worse is my brother owned the house and I was a tenant and I didn't have renters insurance, hindsight is 20/20.

I also hope everyone of the F*(king looters get Tetanus, E-Coli and F*(KING drown. I'm serious I really hope the all die for what they were doing to the city, killing people, and destroying homes. Never in my life have I ever seen people act live savages, it was truly sicking.

[Jack]

A most interesting report. Thank you, Specop.

[rockdoc123]

Sweet Jesus...if this is not a fabrication then I for one will eat crow and say that Specop isn't necessarily a crazed, Waco-lovin, hillbilly gun-freak and there is likely merit to being worried about "the masses".
My suggestion is, as callous as it may seem, the best solution in NO might be a small tactical nuke....wipe it clean and start afresh. There should be no place in the world (including Somalia) that has to put up with this kind of crap.

[RealJoe]

Well, this is just a dress rehearsel for the series of peak oil economic shocks to come and now we know the social chaos, riots and die-off scenarios are real.

[I_Like_Plants]

I've certainly spent some time calling Spec nuts, but he really shut me up when he pointed out that Huga Chavez, when he said he'd give US poor people cheap gas and eye operations, certainly doesn't mean he'll help WHITE poor people. Spec really put me in my place. He'd dead right.

Thanks for the post Spec!

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'S')weet Jesus...if this is not a fabrication then I for one will eat crow and say that Specop isn't necessarily a crazed, Waco-lovin, hillbilly gun-freak and there is likely merit to being worried about "the masses".

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I')'ve certainly spent some time calling Spec nuts, but he really shut me up when he pointed out that Huga Chavez, when he said he'd give US poor people cheap gas and eye operations, certainly doesn't mean he'll help WHITE poor people. Spec really put me in my place. He'd dead right.

Thanks for the post Spec!

[Free]

Sorry, WE don't want to piss off everybody, nor are WE in the mood of starting a flame war. Just a few observations:

Those two guys went back into the city full of dieing suffering people to get their Harley and their photo-albums out. Fair enough. They sneaked in, breaking the law, pretending to help, while only thinking about themselves.
Complaining about people who are pissed off because they feel that everybody is letting them down. As far as WE see they don't even thought of maybe bringing some water and food with them or taking some poor woman or children with them on the way out. Something is odd here.

WE don't want to defend the roving gangs of criminals, but somebody who worships property more than human life is on the same level for US.

[MrBean]

LOL. This thread makes me laugh my ass out, and upped my US doomerocity scale a notch. Racist/classist/fearfull/etc bigots (and I don't mean just rich white) have about the poorest survival prediction. We are social beings, like Aristotle said.

[0mar]

just put an order for a .50BMG. If the SHTF nationwide, it'll definately get a workout.

[I_Like_Plants]

Right now I'd say the "hope for survival" is highest among those who had the sense to get the hell out of there. "White flight" indeed, and more power to 'em!

As for racist, classist, etc. well, it's already been established that my mere existance is a hate crime to that shit doesn't bother me at all.

[UIUCstudent01]

Crazy account.

I'm becoming a level 4 doomer... leaning to 5 for today... I can see Katrina being a vision of the future... our complex systems of money and credit - a pretty big strange scheme working only on fiat - might just implode.

[Barbara]

specop and ILP,
I really can't believe you think Chavez won't help whites. This is the big news: the rest of the world is NOT always thinking in terms of black and white. Surely a man like Chavez, who is ruling a nation of whites, black and indians (living together with no fuss, as in most Latin America they do), and being an half indian himself, is not doing question of racism against white, black or green people.

The world doesn't think the same way you think, I'm sorry.

[Doly]

And let's clarify this: in most of Latin America being racist is a lot more complicated than in North America. While the race of most North American people is fairly identifiable, the race of most Latin Americans is some complicated mixture of white, black and indian. You can still be racist, and some people are, but the lines are a lot harder to define.

[k_semler]

TS has HTF for the people along the Gulf Coast. This is a very good demonstration of the actual government capabilities in a total TSHTF event. Seeing the inadequate response to a localised event, I have now lost any and all faith I had in the government's ability to deal with a crisis on a nationwide level. They are so wrapped up in red tape, that they are choking thier neighbors to death. The glorys of socialism and the nanny state have now shown thier true colors, haven't they?

[stu]

Scary indeed but at the same time not a shock.

Poor people live a very basic lifestyle as it is. Take away their minimal shelter, food and water and at the same time cut the power, flood the streets and decrease law and order and this is what you get.

Do I think looting is the right thing?

Absolutely. I don't expect people to roll over and die, thats just not basic survival instinct. If I was in their shoes I'd be looting tinned food, bottled water and some expensive items like jewellry to try and sell on the black market.

If you think that blaming the looters and demanding that they should be shot solves anything it doesn't.

The name of the game is survival and there are no rules.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'S')cary indeed but at the same time not a shock.

Poor people live a very basic lifestyle as it is. Take away their minimal shelter, food and water and at the same time cut the power, flood the streets and decrease law and order and this is what you get.

Do I think looting is the right thing?

Absolutely. I don't expect people to roll over and die, thats just not basic survival instinct. If I was in their shoes I'd be looting tinned food, bottled water and some expensive items like jewellry to try and sell on the black market.

If you think that blaming the looters and demanding that they should be shot solves anything it doesn't.

The name of the game is survival and there are no rules.

[stu]

Spec.

All of those things that you describe are acts of survival.

Obviously it's a matter of time before aid arrives but until then these people are just going to act as they see fit. They haven't seen any aid yet and its been four days since the hurricane hit.

Your government is doing an appalling job of dealing with this crisis and in the abscence of good leadership how do you expect people to react.

Maybe a lot of these people never received any help from the state and they're not going to receive any now. In that respect I don't blame people for doing what they do.

Some of this looting is opportunistic whilst the police are not there, but in the current climate the rules have been thrown out of the window.

Anything goes.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', 'S')pec.

All of those things that you describe are acts of survival.

[rockdoc123]

Stu I have to agree with Specop on this (Oh Christ now I'm agreeing with him again ) There is a huge difference from looting for necessity versus looting for success. As a comparison...I see you are from the UK...imagine global warming causes the Thames to rise 40 feet and floods London. Would you say there is any difference between breaking into a Tesco on Oxford street and running off with a few packets of crisps and a crate of fizzy drinks and let's say breaking into one of the shops on Park Lane and making off with a McLaren, Mercedes or such? If you think there is no difference then please call me when this happens...I need a new vehicle and I don't care how much petrol costs I would just love to get one of those babies out on the M1.