[MD]

Ah hell, there was no reason for the statement in the first place. The rest of the post stands fine by itself.

[Macsporan]

What I'd like to know is are these people allegedly firing at rescue helicopters doing that or are they trying to attract attention so they can be rescued?

Does anyone have any hard information?

[gego]

I read on the WWL tv website in the Jefferson Parish forum that "project dewllers" on the west bank of the river looted and burned down the Oakwood Shopping Mall. They also have been breaking into and living in homes of people who evacuated. The post says it is not safe in that section of the west bank.
I also note that few have attempted to just walk out.
There have been many discussions on theis site about in a peak oil breakdown whether on not roving gangs from cities would attempt to plunder us out in the countryside. So far looks like they prefer to stay and plunder one another. Easy pickings vs an armed militia is an obvious choice.
If we get to a situation where the electric grid fails nationwide further down the peak oil road, I think we can look to New Orleans for a pattern.

[Petro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'W')hat I'd like to know is are these people allegedly firing at rescue helicopters doing that or are they trying to attract attention so they can be rescued?
Does anyone have any hard information?

[Macsporan]

I see, well lets blame the victims again.
After all, it worked last time. And the time before that...

[MD]

some of the residents of New Orleans, flood victims or no, definitely deserve blame for their behavior.
Victimization is not a license for bad behavior

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 's')ome of the residents of New Orleans, flood victims or no, definitely deserve blame for their behavior.
Victimization is not a license for bad behavior

[Macsporan]

MD, If any armed groups are obstructing rescue, or victimising their fellow citizens, they should be dealt with severely.
Anything else should elicit only compassion.
I find your remarks rather too pious.

[Macsporan]

Mr Bean, You've hit the nail on the head.
There seems to be nothing happening either spontaneously from below or systematically from above.
What's wrong with people these days?

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'J')ack -I don't belittle the seriousness, but I guess that these are very exceptional circs, rather than a good guide to future PO reactions. Since: A/. the people know they were left to drown if a Cat 5 had passed to the west, by a mayoralty that could well afford to evacuate them.

[Leanan]

NBC is reporting that every helicopter that goes in is being met by gunfire. The shooters angrily yell things like "You better come get my family!"
There was a startling revelation on CNN this evening. FEMA claims they did not know about all the people at the convention center. Those people have been there for four days, directed there after the Superdome was full. 50,000-60,000 people, by some estimates. Now that they know about them, they are sending food and water.
And they are starting to evacuate people. CNN reports that all of them are dehydrated. Some of them are in complete renal shutdown.
It boggles my mind, that they could not know about all those people. Are they not communicating at all? I know there's no cell phones, but you know, there's these things called walkie-talkies, that cops used to use before cell phones were invented.

[Petro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'N')BC is reporting that every helicopter that goes in is being met by gunfire. The shooters angrily yell things like "You better come get my family!"
There was a startling revelation on CNN this evening. FEMA claims they did not know about all the people at the convention center. Those people have been there for four days, directed there after the Superdome was full. 50,000-60,000 people, by some estimates. Now that they know about them, they are sending food and water.
And they are starting to evacuate people. CNN reports that all of them are dehydrated. Some of them are in complete renal shutdown.
It boggles my mind, that they could not know about all those people. Are they not communicating at all? I know there's no cell phones, but you know, there's these things called walkie-talkies, that cops used to use before cell phones were invented.

[Macsporan]

This is most distressing. Is the gunfire aimed at the helicopters?
If so than someone's going to have to shoot back. This can't be allowed. These wretches are imperilling everyone, including themselves.
I agree Leannne: How could they not have known? Of course they knew, they just didn't think or didn't care.
Why do they lie all the time?
What's wrong with the damned government? What about all those plans they make? What do we pay them for?
If this is the best they can do there should be an Inquiry with authority to take heads.
On the other hand, what with the mess in Iraq maybe I shouldn't be so surprised.

Have Americans lost the ability to maintain their own infrastructure? They couldn't repair the one in Iraq even before the Resistance got going.
By the look of it these guys couldn't organise the proverbial nookie in a brothel with a handful of hundred dollar bills...
It's hard to be an optimist sometimes.

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'I')t boggles my mind, that they could not know about all those people. Are they not communicating at all? I know there's no cell phones, but you know, there's these things called walkie-talkies, that cops used to use before cell phones were invented.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'N')BC is reporting that every helicopter that goes in is being met by gunfire. The shooters angrily yell things like "You better come get my family!" ... It boggles my mind, that they could not know about all those people. Are they not communicating at all? I know there's no cell phones, but you know, there's these things called walkie-talkies, that cops used to use before cell phones were invented.

[Petro]

Free, I respect your opinion, but I can't accept it. All the while, in the first couple days, when there were just a few helicopters trying to rescue hapless peoples form their rooftops, there should have been hundreds of 'copters. There isn't a single excuse for not mobilizing what was required. I was hit by Kat here in Miami, lived 6 days without electricity, ice, in 93 degree temp, but I had a battery radio and I KNEW what was approaching NO. For christs sake this is the United States...we mobilized hundreds of thousands, with support to the middle east on casual instructions. I can't accept anything less in 24 hours.

[Jack]

Another fine example of human behavior:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ATTIESBURG, Miss. -- Police in Hattiesburg, Miss., said a man fatally shot his sister in the head over a bag of ice. ... The shooting is being treated like a homicide, Wynn said.

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Petro', 'F')ree, I respect your opinion, but I can't accept it. All the while, in the first couple days, when there were just a few helicopters trying to rescue hapless peoples form their rooftops, there should have been hundreds of 'copters. There isn't a single excuse for not mobilizing what was required. I was hit by Kat here in Miami, lived 6 days without electricity, ice, in 93 degree temp, but I had a battery radio and I KNEW what was approaching NO. For christs sake this is the United States...we mobilized hundreds of thousands, with support to the middle east on casual instructions. I can't accept anything less in 24 hours.

[Leanan]

The helicopter pilots say they are being targeted. People are beyond frustrated, and are shooting at everything.
CNN did a phone interview of a doctor who is trying to get her patients evacuated. They were attacked by a sniper. Not random gunfire. A guy on the roof of a nearby building, shooting at them while they tried to get patients out the hospital door.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f so than someone's going to have to shoot back. This can't be allowed. These wretches are imperilling everyone, including themselves.

[Macsporan]

This must be an American phenomena.
We've had catastrophes here in Australia including whole cities obliterated by cyclones, floods and bushfires but this doesn't happen here. People pull together and help each other. Thats what mates are for.
Why do Americans always behave like gangsters when the going gets tough?
Maybe you are doomed.
USA RIP
Died for want of Social Cohesion.