Has there been an organisational failure here?
There's no food, not even water in the dome, or the bridges
Where are the helicopters, the supplies?
The ordinary people are heroes but man, I can't believe this
I just saw a Fox reporter ask a cop when they can get water.. he just walked on, refused to answer
This is a real mess
Those people are out there baking on the road with nothing, no wonder they are looting
Whats going on over there, why can't they drop or drive basic supplies in?
Not one glass of water has reached the high points where people are massing from the floods, thats really bad because the police are out there driving around, where are the supplies?
I think some serious questions must be asked
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Where's the water
by Teclo » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 20:58:20
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Re: Where's the water
by kelee877 » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 21:06:45
The cops are driving around lost also the cars only have so much gas they are driving aroung in bunches..and they are stuck there also..waiting for rescue wondering where their kids are their families..get a life get a grip..all have suffered there..
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Re: Where's the water
by rostov » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 21:07:49
Hypothetical question to your question.
If you were given really harsh answers, what are you going to do about it? Let's say the president, months down the road, say something anything to suggest close to the following :
(1) Support die-off. N.O. only. No big deal.
(2) Save the fuel for war, and not reverse (1)
Just like P.O. itself. The questions have been asked and answered : where is the govt? What are they going to do? They should be accountable, right? The truth is already established all these years : our concerns on our impact w.r.t. P.O. is not their concern. Their agenda is. So we're on our own.
So I really wonder what you're going to do about it if the answers are really harsh?
If you were given really harsh answers, what are you going to do about it? Let's say the president, months down the road, say something anything to suggest close to the following :
(1) Support die-off. N.O. only. No big deal.
(2) Save the fuel for war, and not reverse (1)
Just like P.O. itself. The questions have been asked and answered : where is the govt? What are they going to do? They should be accountable, right? The truth is already established all these years : our concerns on our impact w.r.t. P.O. is not their concern. Their agenda is. So we're on our own.
So I really wonder what you're going to do about it if the answers are really harsh?
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Re: Where's the water
by Specop_007 » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 21:13:52
WHAT?!?!
Specop is appalled!!
Perhaps you would be better served to ask "Wheres the personal responsibility?"
People KNEW there was a hurricane coming. Why didnt they leave? Why didnt they go buy water. You can buy a gallon of water for a BUCK. A gallon will easily last 1 man 1 day if he rations.
Instead, people bought ALCOHOL.
For the price of 1 mixed drink at the bar they could have bought enough water for a WEEK.
When in the hell did it become the governments job to provide for people?!
Specop says screw'm. If their too dumb to prepare even marignally, then let them reap what they sow.
Heres a little tidbit of info. Specop has 30 gallons of water in his basment in storage. He lives in Kansas. Think a storm is gonna cause a water shortage in Kansas? Fat chance.
But hes prepared. Its called maturity. Its called responsibility. People in this country need to fucking get some.
Tired of "But the government will save me" attitude,
Specop_007
Specop is appalled!!
Perhaps you would be better served to ask "Wheres the personal responsibility?"
People KNEW there was a hurricane coming. Why didnt they leave? Why didnt they go buy water. You can buy a gallon of water for a BUCK. A gallon will easily last 1 man 1 day if he rations.
Instead, people bought ALCOHOL.
For the price of 1 mixed drink at the bar they could have bought enough water for a WEEK.
When in the hell did it become the governments job to provide for people?!
Specop says screw'm. If their too dumb to prepare even marignally, then let them reap what they sow.
Heres a little tidbit of info. Specop has 30 gallons of water in his basment in storage. He lives in Kansas. Think a storm is gonna cause a water shortage in Kansas? Fat chance.
But hes prepared. Its called maturity. Its called responsibility. People in this country need to fucking get some.
Tired of "But the government will save me" attitude,
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Re: Where's the water
by Teclo » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 21:27:37
>The cops are driving around lost also the cars only have so much gas they are driving aroung in bunches..and they are stuck there also..waiting for rescue wondering where their kids are their families..get a life get a grip..all have suffered there..
I'm not trying to blame low level functionaries here, but those higher up. Didn't the mayor himself lose his cool and say in essense just what I'm saying here?
Yes, people are suffering (which I why I posted this) but this isn't a game. Why should I keep quiet when I think mistakes are being made?
Maybe it makes everyone else feel better to imagine they are all being taken care of down there. The TV reports suggest otherwise
Look. I can read people. I saw Shepard Smith and I could read him. He was shocked that nothing was getting to those people. Shocked
So don't blame me for posting what I see
>Just like P.O. itself. The questions have been asked and answered : where is the govt? What are they going to do? They should be accountable, right? The truth is already established all these years : our concerns on our impact w.r.t. P.O. is not their concern. Their agenda is. So we're on our own.
So I really wonder what you're going to do about it if the answers are really harsh?
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ah... this at least answers the question that I apparently should not even think about. What am I going to do if this is true?
Be a part of the mass uprising against the failed system and overthrow it
Teclo
I'm not trying to blame low level functionaries here, but those higher up. Didn't the mayor himself lose his cool and say in essense just what I'm saying here?
Yes, people are suffering (which I why I posted this) but this isn't a game. Why should I keep quiet when I think mistakes are being made?
Maybe it makes everyone else feel better to imagine they are all being taken care of down there. The TV reports suggest otherwise
Look. I can read people. I saw Shepard Smith and I could read him. He was shocked that nothing was getting to those people. Shocked
So don't blame me for posting what I see
>Just like P.O. itself. The questions have been asked and answered : where is the govt? What are they going to do? They should be accountable, right? The truth is already established all these years : our concerns on our impact w.r.t. P.O. is not their concern. Their agenda is. So we're on our own.
So I really wonder what you're going to do about it if the answers are really harsh?
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ah... this at least answers the question that I apparently should not even think about. What am I going to do if this is true?
Be a part of the mass uprising against the failed system and overthrow it
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Re: Where's the water
by Teclo » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 21:42:35
Specop... your philosophy doesn't scale up
The condemnation you have for those who didn't heed warnings equally applies to the government itself for not heeding warnings about peak oil, global warming, insane budget deficits, etc.
So who is really more irresponsible?
The difference is 80% of ordinary people heeded the warning but what percentage of politicians took global warming seriously?
I rest my case
Teclo
The condemnation you have for those who didn't heed warnings equally applies to the government itself for not heeding warnings about peak oil, global warming, insane budget deficits, etc.
So who is really more irresponsible?
The difference is 80% of ordinary people heeded the warning but what percentage of politicians took global warming seriously?
I rest my case
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Re: Where's the water
by Specop_007 » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 21:44:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Teclo', 'S')pecop... your philosophy doesn't scale up
The condemnation you have for those who didn't heed warnings equally applies to the government itself for not heeding warnings about peak oil, global warming, insane budget deficits, etc.
So who is really more irresponsible?
The difference is 80% of ordinary people heeded the warning but what percentage of politicians took global warming seriously?
I rest my case
Teclo
The condemnation you have for those who didn't heed warnings equally applies to the government itself for not heeding warnings about peak oil, global warming, insane budget deficits, etc.
So who is really more irresponsible?
The difference is 80% of ordinary people heeded the warning but what percentage of politicians took global warming seriously?
I rest my case
Teclo
1) Specop had to rant. Hes tired of hearing about "the poor victims". He sees a bunch of dumbasses standing on roof tops, not victims.
2) Politicians follow public sentiment. Always have, always will. Until Joe Average says "Hey, we got a problem" dont expect the politicians to do anything about it. Public sentiment is votes. You do or say something the public doesnt like, you get voted out.
Tired of the ride, someone stop the world cause he wants off,
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Re: Where's the water
by Teclo » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 22:00:44
no problems with that specop.
I think your posts provide an antidote to the conspiracy theorists, and challenge those who are against everything without having an alternative
So.. fair enough says me.
I've never really taken to the theory than the politicios simply reflect public will, as if they never tried to mould it. Damn, if it were otherwise it would be our fault
Teclo
I think your posts provide an antidote to the conspiracy theorists, and challenge those who are against everything without having an alternative
So.. fair enough says me.
I've never really taken to the theory than the politicios simply reflect public will, as if they never tried to mould it. Damn, if it were otherwise it would be our fault
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Re: Where's the water
by rostov » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 23:09:27
deleted. duplicate.
Last edited by rostov on Wed 31 Aug 2005, 23:13:54, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Where's the water
by rostov » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 23:13:05
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rostov', 'J')ust like P.O. itself. The questions have been asked and answered : where is the govt? What are they going to do? They should be accountable, right? The truth is already established all these years : our concerns on our impact w.r.t. P.O. is not their concern. Their agenda is. So we're on our own.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rostov', 'J')ust like P.O. itself. The questions have been asked and answered : where is the govt? What are they going to do? They should be accountable, right? The truth is already established all these years : our concerns on our impact w.r.t. P.O. is not their concern. Their agenda is. So we're on our own.
So I really wonder what you're going to do about it if the answers are really harsh?
The answers are harsh. That's my assumption. And I slap a 2 year timeline to do things about it (starting April 2005) or it's bust for me.
1) Do you have a car? I don't. Family of 4.
2) Do you have debt? I don't. I sold every d*mned thing in the house, my car, even my babies' clothes on ebay, every single damned junk.
3) Do you have a plastic? I only have one single one for e-bay transactions (sell). I control my finances. No cash in the bank upon pay-day : I get every damned cent out and manage myself. Every cent spent is controlled and noted unto cockpit charts. etc.
4) Homeschool. Private and government school sux. Reasons a lot
5) Single income. Wife is backup.
K. That's my groundwork.
1) SAS survival kit, self made, x2, size : 4 by 2 by 1/2 inch. One for wife and myself. Knowledge (I was formerly army scout) shared between myself and wife (outdoor outward bound exp) how to make each item have more than 3 uses. With practice using 3rd kit. All kits to fit into any pocket, watertight.
2) SAS survival pack. MRE (very small), fuel, torches (faraday's, no batteries), gerber knives, other stuff, that can sling unto a belt. x2. Same practice as kit. Kit to equip at all times to run to pack. Pack to run to...
3) Bug out bag. Lots of posts on this in this board. Self-built, own experience.
4) Stored food which can be cooked by fires by any of the above 3 (even the kit), easily carried and added to BoB. For 1 week (shrink freeze dried and canned), for family of 4.
5) Some gold, some money, when it's time to run for the hills
6) A watchful eye for things to happen. Why am I the one who's more aware than a group of American mothers I keep in contact with, when it comes to pre-warning of Katrina, the landfall situation, the magnitude of immediate problems (deaths, flooding, food, water, disease), and oil? WHY?! I'd have abandoned all if I were in N.O. : house, dump on a 5000gallon tank car (just joking on the capacity), and run for the hills. Hell, I wouldn't even be in the USofA : I'd be doing exactly what I'm doing now : relocate.
Not all is a bed of roses. Do you know where I am? Singapore. f*ck*ng* island suburbian nightmare like HongKong. I've no land, nothing. At least I'm taking steps to move forward by making sure I'm not damned here (I just hope I'm in time).
I'm still buying the idea of 10/30/60. 10% on a burning plane will find a way out, 30% will follow them, 60% will rot to death.
So the question is not so much on me (or most on this board). I've spent a considerable amount of words answering your question : what about you? Still depending on a (whether it's yours or not) government?
regards,
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Re: Where's the water
by rostov » Wed 31 Aug 2005, 23:33:45
Maybe I got a little off tangent here. Gotta get a grip. GET A GRIP ROSTOV!!
What I do know is that you're a fellow peak-oiler : someone very aware of a portion of the situation as a whole. Oil, overpopulation, etc. Maybe I got overzealously concerned that you're still having a mentality that folks "up there" still care and will do things to help.
Perhaps I got too rash assuming that all peak-oilers already assume that nothing can be done, and personal responsibilities have to kick in. My apologies if there are any ruffled feathers...
NOW back to watching this sh*t unfold!
What I do know is that you're a fellow peak-oiler : someone very aware of a portion of the situation as a whole. Oil, overpopulation, etc. Maybe I got overzealously concerned that you're still having a mentality that folks "up there" still care and will do things to help.
Perhaps I got too rash assuming that all peak-oilers already assume that nothing can be done, and personal responsibilities have to kick in. My apologies if there are any ruffled feathers...
NOW back to watching this sh*t unfold!
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Re: Where's the water
by Teclo » Thu 01 Sep 2005, 05:35:36
no its an interesting point
What worries me is if people just start thinking those in charge don't care then whats to stop a sort of spreading apathy/resignation. If that happened then they could do whatever they liked
I'm of the belief that the opposite could happen, which is mass protests against the authorities once a certain line is crossed. This line is the point where our own intelligence is shown to be so far above theirs that no-one will follow them anymore. Call it peak obedience. This relies on true leaders emerging of course!
Teclo
What worries me is if people just start thinking those in charge don't care then whats to stop a sort of spreading apathy/resignation. If that happened then they could do whatever they liked
I'm of the belief that the opposite could happen, which is mass protests against the authorities once a certain line is crossed. This line is the point where our own intelligence is shown to be so far above theirs that no-one will follow them anymore. Call it peak obedience. This relies on true leaders emerging of course!
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Re: Where's the water
by 0mar » Thu 01 Sep 2005, 05:47:56
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'P')eople KNEW there was a hurricane coming. Why didnt they leave? Why didnt they go buy water. You can buy a gallon of water for a BUCK. A gallon will easily last 1 man 1 day if he rations.
A gallon of water can last a man a week. A thimble full of water every couple of hours will suffice.
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