Interesting. So some 96% of people think that the tax system is a scam, and some 68% of people think that our bank system is a scam.
Amazing how such systems then can arise and exist for many, many years without anything being done about it. I wonder how this can be?
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What A Scam Then
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What A Scam Then
by Markos101 » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 18:57:05
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Re: What A Scam Then
by pepper2000 » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 19:15:14
Much has indeed been done about the tax system. In the 1920's we had a tax system that favored the upper class. During the Depression and War we got a very top-heavy tax code. Since the end of World War II, the tax stucture has been gradually moving to the way it was before.
As far as banking goes, the decline has been obvious. Savings accounts used to pay more in interest than what you could find under your couch cushions. Might there someday be a revolt against the banking system? Not unless (and until) people come to believe that they have been betrayed by the bankers.
As far as banking goes, the decline has been obvious. Savings accounts used to pay more in interest than what you could find under your couch cushions. Might there someday be a revolt against the banking system? Not unless (and until) people come to believe that they have been betrayed by the bankers.
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Re: What A Scam Then
by UIUCstudent01 » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 20:46:38
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')As far as banking goes, the decline has been obvious. Savings accounts used to pay more in interest than what you could find under your couch cushions. Might there someday be a revolt against the banking system? Not unless (and until) people come to believe that they have been betrayed by the bankers.
')As far as banking goes, the decline has been obvious. Savings accounts used to pay more in interest than what you could find under your couch cushions. Might there someday be a revolt against the banking system? Not unless (and until) people come to believe that they have been betrayed by the bankers.
And many internet-people blame Jews and many see this anti-semitism - and the idea is also pushed out of people's minds.
But the thing is:
Can you really set up a complete, fair system?
And then:
Can you convert to the system in peace?
https://www.videogamevoters.org/ http://www.savetheinternet.com/ http://www.votersforpeace.us/index.jsp
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www.911myths.com - To the 9/11-ers, give it some thought.
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Re: What A Scam Then
by MonteQuest » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 21:47:52
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Markos101', 'I')nteresting. So some 96% of people think that the tax system is a scam, and some 68% of people think that our bank system is a scam.
Amazing how such systems then can arise and exist for many, many years without anything being done about it. I wonder how this can be?
Mark
Amazing how such systems then can arise and exist for many, many years without anything being done about it. I wonder how this can be?
Mark
Simple, by design. From my book:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne of the most important powers given to the Fed was the right to buy and sell government securities, and provide loans to member banks so they might also purchase them. This provided another built-in mechanism for profit to the banks if the government debt was increased. All that was needed was a method to pay off the debt. This was accomplished through the passage of the income tax in 1913. A national income tax was declared unconstitutional in 1895 by the Supreme Court, so a constitutional amendment was proposed in Congress by none other than—Senator Nelson Aldrich.
Since it was graduated, the tax would “soak the rich” ...but the rich had other plans, already devising a method of protecting wealth. By the time the (16th) Amendment had been approved by the states, the “ruling elite” had created “foundations.” They used them as repositories for their “divested” interests...making their assets non-taxable so that they might be passed down through generations without...estate and gift taxes. Each year the ruling elite can dump up to half their incomes into their pet foundations and deduct the “donations” from their income tax. With the means to loan enormous sums to the government (the Federal Reserve), a method to repay the debt (income tax), and an escape from taxation for the wealthy, (foundations), all that remained was an excuse to borrow money. History has shown us that nothing drives a government more deeply into debt than major war.
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Re: What A Scam Then
by joewp » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 22:47:42
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'S')imple, by design. From my book:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne of the most important powers given to the Fed was the right to buy and sell government securities, and provide loans to member banks so they might also purchase them. This provided another built-in mechanism for profit to the banks if the government debt was increased. All that was needed was a method to pay off the debt. This was accomplished through the passage of the income tax in 1913. A national income tax was declared unconstitutional in 1895 by the Supreme Court, so a constitutional amendment was proposed in Congress by none other than—Senator Nelson Aldrich.
Since it was graduated, the tax would “soak the rich” ...but the rich had other plans, already devising a method of protecting wealth. By the time the (16th) Amendment had been approved by the states, the “ruling elite” had created “foundations.” They used them as repositories for their “divested” interests...making their assets non-taxable so that they might be passed down through generations without...estate and gift taxes. Each year the ruling elite can dump up to half their incomes into their pet foundations and deduct the “donations” from their income tax. With the means to loan enormous sums to the government (the Federal Reserve), a method to repay the debt (income tax), and an escape from taxation for the wealthy, (foundations), all that remained was an excuse to borrow money. History has shown us that nothing drives a government more deeply into debt than major war.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne of the most important powers given to the Fed was the right to buy and sell government securities, and provide loans to member banks so they might also purchase them. This provided another built-in mechanism for profit to the banks if the government debt was increased. All that was needed was a method to pay off the debt. This was accomplished through the passage of the income tax in 1913. A national income tax was declared unconstitutional in 1895 by the Supreme Court, so a constitutional amendment was proposed in Congress by none other than—Senator Nelson Aldrich.
Since it was graduated, the tax would “soak the rich” ...but the rich had other plans, already devising a method of protecting wealth. By the time the (16th) Amendment had been approved by the states, the “ruling elite” had created “foundations.” They used them as repositories for their “divested” interests...making their assets non-taxable so that they might be passed down through generations without...estate and gift taxes. Each year the ruling elite can dump up to half their incomes into their pet foundations and deduct the “donations” from their income tax. With the means to loan enormous sums to the government (the Federal Reserve), a method to repay the debt (income tax), and an escape from taxation for the wealthy, (foundations), all that remained was an excuse to borrow money. History has shown us that nothing drives a government more deeply into debt than major war.
Having seen The Money Masters, I know what's coming next, several major wars.
The biggest problem that people have believing all of this is they think the bankers and the other PTBs wouldn't kill for power or profit, even though they have many times over right in front of their faces. Things like this make me believe that people are generally good and assume everyone else is, a fact that the PTB use to their never-ending profit.
As a matter of fact, the wife is watching Inside 9/11 on NG channel right now and I just saw Bush's reaction when told by Card that a second plane hit the WTC. The man's expression had no surprise in it, not a hint of one. As a matter of fact, it looks like approval more than anything else. It makes me sick to have generations duped by the corporate/banking "steady growth" lie. Rant mode off...
Edit to fix quotables and ask where can one find your book, or is it just the "The Best of MonteQuest" thread in hardcover?
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"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb
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