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Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby stu » Fri 26 Aug 2005, 20:26:19

That's quite an obvious statement to make as most of us are aware. However this was all put in stark reality when I received an e-mail from my friend.

The e-mail contained a link to a clip that showed footage of a woman being beaten to death in Oakland, California for being a snitch.

As we all now the ghettos are'nt the nicest place in the world but after watching this it really got me thinking on what life is really going to be like in deprived areas if TSHTF. Will there be a sense of community and togetherness in these areas? I doubt it.

I've decided to post this link after checking with Aaron becuase it is quite shocking and scary. There is no blood and guts but the violence and intimidation will be enough to shock some people.

You have been warned.

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Note: The woman does not physically get lynched.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby idiom » Fri 26 Aug 2005, 22:20:10

Most have adapted to life without oil already. It might be better than living in the suburbs.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby stu » Fri 26 Aug 2005, 22:30:18

However if inflation really increases then all those people who work 70 hour weeks on minimum wage to make ends meet are going to be royally screwed. The cost of living is increasing with fuel prices. The poorest will be hit first and hardest. When they realize that they can't live a basic sustainable life because of high inflation then they will have no alternative than to switch to crime. Either that or starve. Expect to see an increase in robbery, muggings and any other crime that sees poor people separating the rich from their valuables. :(
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 02:05:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen they realize that they can't live a basic sustainable life because of high inflation then they will have no alternative than to switch to crime. Either that or starve.


Heh. That's happening already.

Being that I live near such areas(not in, but the ghettos start mere blocks away), a gun is a must. It's always good to help others by rehabbing old housing so it is fit for them to live in, and basically just getting to know the people in such a neighborhood. Many of these people are in the position they are due to institutional racism.

There are no jobs to be had in these areas, so unless you have a car, you're shit out of luck. Most in the area seeking a job don't have money to own a car and taking the bus each day at $3 each way would take 12% of their income at minimum wage and 60 hours a week. Many can't even afford to do that, especially if they have no job.

If things are bad now, peak oil is going to make all hell break loose. The best thing you could do would be to volunteer for these areas. Help rehab houses, clean the areas, get to know the residents, try to become some sort of positive role model for the kids in the area. When I used to do volunteer work in north St. Louis, all the kids below about age 10 used to admire the work people did to help their neighborhood and always wanted to help, and the residents generally grew fond of those helping them. If there is any way to prevent mass unrest post peak oil, assuming peak oil's after affects meet the hype, then simply helping others for the sake of it, is what is going to do it. Some people will work together to adapt, others won't. It's those that won't that will need to be adressed in the case they become a problem.

Work to aid others, but also be prepared for the worst. The ghettos don't have to get even worse post-peak, but expect they will. See a problem? Then try to do something about it before everything falls apart.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby stu » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 09:39:26

That's where the sense of community comes in. Either the neighbourhood gets together to learn to live together or they recieve help from others such as volunteers. Given the current situation if there were to be a crash landing I have a feeling that the well off will be trying to save their own asses instead of heading to the ghettos to do voluntary work. Considering they've been raised in a country and a system that is all about the pursuit of individual wealth and sucess I don't expect a sea change to take place in attitudes.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby MD » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 10:30:54

You point out another problem. Post Automobile Age we will need the inner cities intact as the nucleus of changing culture. Unfortunately many areas will likely be looted and burned. Mob psychology should be our biggest concern going forward, not just with regard to looting and burning, but in all aspects from consumer confidence to nationalism.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby stu » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 10:53:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'Y')ou point out another problem. Post Automobile Age we will need the inner cities intact as the nucleus of changing culture.


Interesting point. Care to elaborate.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nfortunately many areas will likely be looted and burned. Mob psychology should be our biggest concern going forward, not just with regard to looting and burning, but in all aspects from consumer confidence to nationalism.


Survival in numbers will be the thinking in the event of a crash. Whether that means living in a community or looting on a regular basis with people of a similiar mindset.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 11:01:25

I have the opposite viewpoint.

I grew up near 8 mile in one of the toughest ghettos in the country. And now I live in upper middle class suburbia.

I have already given this thought. I fear my suburban neighbors more because of their fear and panic of life without cappuchinos. These people are out of touch with reality and have no survival instinct.

The gangs that kill each other in the ghetto is a fraction of the representation of the people. These people are survivors and used to adversity and doing without. And most do NOT resort to crime to get ahead. Whereas my suburban neighbor will hang on to the matrix by any means necessary.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 11:04:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I') have the opposite viewpoint.

I grew up near 8 mile in one of the toughest ghettos in the country. And now I live in upper middle class suburbia.

I have already given this thought. I fear my suburban neighbors more because of their fear and panic of life without cappuchinos. These people are out of touch with reality and have no survival instinct.

The gangs that kill each other in the ghetto is a fraction of the representation of the people. These people are survivors and used to adversity and doing without. And most do NOT resort to crime to get ahead. Whereas my suburban neighbor will hang on to the matrix by any means necessary.


Specop wonders if this is really true.
If so, he must ask you.....
Why dont you still live in the ghetto?
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby MD » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 12:31:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'Y')ou point out another problem. Post Automobile Age we will need the inner cities intact as the nucleus of changing culture.


Interesting point. Care to elaborate.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nfortunately many areas will likely be looted and burned. Mob psychology should be our biggest concern going forward, not just with regard to looting and burning, but in all aspects from consumer confidence to nationalism.


Survival in numbers will be the thinking in the event of a crash. Whether that means living in a community or looting on a regular basis with people of a similiar mindset.


with regard to inner sities:
The older cities in the United States were built pre-automobile, and thus are already laid out for urban living minus automobile. It would be a shame if those cities (mostly in the east) with intact urban infrastructure fell to mob psychology during disruptive times.
I agree somewhat with EC regarding suburbanites, however the nature of sprawl discourages mob gatherings so the difficulties will more likely be neighbor against neighbor, small skirnishes, home invasions and the like. The densely populated areas will still be more given to looting mobs.

With regard to survival in numbers:
It is critical, no matter where you live, to be as friendly and engaged as possible with your neighbors all around.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby stu » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 12:31:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I') have the opposite viewpoint.

I grew up near 8 mile in one of the toughest ghettos in the country. And now I live in upper middle class suburbia.

I have already given this thought. I fear my suburban neighbors more because of their fear and panic of life without cappuchinos. These people are out of touch with reality and have no survival instinct.

The gangs that kill each other in the ghetto is a fraction of the representation of the people. These people are survivors and used to adversity and doing without. And most do NOT resort to crime to get ahead. Whereas my suburban neighbor will hang on to the matrix by any means necessary.


Good counterpoint.

Maybe I've seen Boyz n' the Hood too many times and got carried away with cultural stereotypes and maybe people in the ghettos are not so bad. I guess it all boils down to what kind of attitude the different classes will have in the event of a meltdown. Being working class myself I've never experienced what it is like to have all the luxuries in life and to have a very disposable income. On the other hand though I've never been homeless or had to really struggle to get through.


However I have trouble envisioning what you say. Seeing surburbia go up in flames whilst the residents of the ghettos club together. The theory that those who have least will suffer less might not be so true. At the end of the day we all need food, shelter and drink. If the price of those were to constantly increase then the richer would be more easily set up to deal with any problems that arose. Providing Surburbanites adopt the right mindset then they will conserve, whereas the urban dweller will have less to conserve and so will be forced to extract resources from other people in order to feed himself.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 12:56:13

No one WANTS to live in the ghetto. You want to sterotype black people just like you want to stereotype arabs.

I can't prove to you that most people in the ghetto are descent people. I know you will not seek out the information on your own. Instead you will choose your typical right-wing extremist sources.

It's really sad. If people really got to know each other, we'd all realize that we are all the same and want the same things. Our enemy is not each other, our enemy is the state.

Specop feeds the matrix and he is like Cipher. He would sell any and all of us out just so he can eat steak. He will eat his steak -- for now.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby stu » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 15:22:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'N')o one WANTS to live in the ghetto. You want to sterotype black people just like you want to stereotype arabs.


WTF :?

It was a reflection point asshole!!! I came to realise that I have no first hand knowledge of living in the poor urban areas of the US and realised that all of my knowledge has come through the media which of course likes to stick to cliches and sensationalism in order to attract audiences.

And where the hell did this crap about Arabs come from? I didn't even mention them in the post.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', ' ')I can't prove to you that most people in the ghetto are descent people. I know you will not seek out the information on your own. Instead you will choose your typical right-wing extremist sources.
You're talking to a member of a socialist party. Right wing-sources???? :lol:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'I')t's really sad. If people really got to know each other, we'd all realize that we are all the same and want the same things. Our enemy is not each other, our enemy is the state.
This looks like a case of overheating tinfoil hat.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')pecop feeds the matrix and he is like Cipher. He would sell any and all of us out just so he can eat steak. He will eat his steak -- for now.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby oiless » Sat 27 Aug 2005, 20:28:16

This is funny! :lol:
People taking offense to stuff not even directed at them! I love the internet!
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby stu » Sun 28 Aug 2005, 15:33:52

:-x

I wish people would use the quote button.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby Permanently_Baffled » Sun 28 Aug 2005, 16:49:02

lol stu what you reckon St Mary's will be like Post peak !? 8O :lol:
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Unread postby stu » Sun 28 Aug 2005, 19:53:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Permanently_Baffled', 'l')ol stu what you reckon St Mary's will be like Post peak !? 8O :lol:


In a Head for the Hills scenario gang mentality will be the way of thinking. Not too optimistic for the urban areas PB. Imagine what London will be like. 8O
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby Permanently_Baffled » Mon 29 Aug 2005, 09:00:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stu', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Permanently_Baffled', 'l')ol stu what you reckon St Mary's will be like Post peak !? 8O :lol:


In a Head for the Hills scenario gang mentality will be the way of thinking. Not too optimistic for the urban areas PB. Imagine what London will be like. 8O


Your such an pessimist Stu , don't worry, it wont get that bad. :-D

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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby Chuckmak » Mon 29 Aug 2005, 18:30:17

i'll just say this.

if you don't live/have lived in the hood, then you know nothing about the hood, so don't talk about the hood, and don't even come to the hood. you won't last 5 seconds.
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Re: Why being in the ghettos will be hell Post-Peak.

Unread postby Chaparral » Tue 30 Aug 2005, 04:47:13

I used to own rent controlled apartment buildings in south Los Angeles and spent a considerable time there, morning noon and night for several years. I'd predict some serious racial strife. Once there were 8 homicides within a two block radius of a 9 unit building I rehabbed. The number of violent criminals in the "ghetto" population seems quite a bit higher than in more upscale areas. I also remember the riots in '92 over the Rodney King issue. Its kind of complex and goes beyond a simple lack of wealth; there's a culture of "honor" that operates in many US cities and a fellow can get the crap kicked out of him simply for being the wrong color or wearing the wrong clothes in the wrong hood.

I'd want to be as far away from the high crime "ghettos" as possible and I sure as hell wouldn't want to have to pass through them on foot if TSHTF.
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