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US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 20:37:41

From the "out of the frying pan and into the fire" file:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain
Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:36 PM ET

By Janet McGurty

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. drivers are relying more on credit cards to cushion the pain of high gasoline prices than they have in the past, according to the National Association of Convenience Stores.

Convenience stores, which sell about three-quarters of all gasoline sold in the nation, have seen the use of credit card purchases for motor fuel rise to 70 percent from about 54 percent last year, according to the industry group.

And drivers are seen reaching into their pockets for plastic more often as they try to stretch their budgets.

"Consumers are trying to displace the pain for a few weeks," said Jeff Lenard, a spokesman for the group which includes stores owned by oil companies.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 20:43:23

A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby SurvivalAcres » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 20:55:29

And how long can this last? Until the credit card is maxed out? What, about three months?
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 20:57:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SurvivalAcres', 'A')nd how long can this last? Until the credit card is maxed out? What, about three months?


Depends upon whether they can go to the refi-ATM to get more cash to pay off the credit cards. 8O

After that, the standard of living falls.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby markam » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 21:21:58

I posted a couple of weeks ago that I figured we weren't seeing demand destruction because of credit card usage at the pump (something that wasn't done 30 years ago). Guess I was right.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby marko » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 21:43:26

A word of caution on reading these statistics: I typically use my credit card to pay for gas and have done so for years. But I pay off my credit card balance every month. There are many others like me.

That said, I suspect that much of the increment since last year is not paying off every month.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby cube » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 22:46:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('marko', 'A') word of caution on reading these statistics: I typically use my credit card to pay for gas and have done so for years. But I pay off my credit card balance every month. There are many others like me.

That said, I suspect that much of the increment since last year is not paying off every month.
Bingo! I've been using my credit card to buy gas for the past 5 years++ but I pay my credit card bill in full every month. Why do I use plastic? B/C it's much more convienent. I don't have to walk into the store to meet the cashier to exchange cash and with credit you always have exact change.

I'm surprised there are still people out there who buy gas with cash.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby MonteQuest » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 22:53:25

Yes, I read somewhere that there was a 27% increase in people not paying g off their credit cards each month for gas and groceries! 8O

And the minmum payments double starting in October. :shock:
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby jmacdaddio » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 23:09:31

I started a thread on this!! I'm impressed with my visionary skills.

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic9694.html
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby lawnchair » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 23:18:27

There is an alternate reason. For several years I had made a serious effort to pay for things in cash. I'm a stingy bastard anyway, but more so with "real" money. (And, even more so with real specie money). Which worked.

But, I've gone to putting gas on the credit card. A $35 fillup is a big chunk of the $50-$100 in cash I'm likely to carry. Wasn't such a big deal at $10 fills. Also, since the stations have moved to prepay, it's much more convenient to pay-at-the-pump than to trot to the cashier twice.

Overall, though, I do suppose we are further in credit card debt than ever. Sigh.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby BitterSweetCrude » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 00:38:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', 'F')rom the "out of the frying pan and into the fire" file:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain
Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:36 PM ET

By Janet McGurty

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. drivers are relying more on credit cards to cushion the pain of high gasoline prices than they have in the past, according to the National Association of Convenience Stores.

Convenience stores, which sell about three-quarters of all gasoline sold in the nation, have seen the use of credit card purchases for motor fuel rise to 70 percent from about 54 percent last year, according to the industry group.

And drivers are seen reaching into their pockets for plastic more often as they try to stretch their budgets.

"Consumers are trying to displace the pain for a few weeks," said Jeff Lenard, a spokesman for the group which includes stores owned by oil companies.
--More--


I've been using my Discover card to pay for gas because they've been giving 5% cash back on gas purchases this summer. The rest of the year I only get 1% back. I've never paid a cent of credit card interest because I pay the card off every month.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby frankthetank » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 01:01:01

I also commented on this within the last 2 weeks. Credit is so easy to come by these days. I'm thinking once that bankruptcy law goes into effect and minimum payments are upped, we'll see more chaos. I still think mass layoffs are needed before the poopy really hits the spinning fan blades.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 09:46:22

This just makes no sense.How can GAS account for so much of their budget??
Lets say you use 30 gallons a week (You have a nice big SUV/Pickup)
If you were paying $2.00, and now your paying $3.00 then you net change on your budget is 30 bucks a week.
I just cant believe people are already stretched so thin that they cant absorb a 30 dollar a week change in the budget?! Thats 60 bucks between paychecks. Shit, I spend more then that just to smoke and have a beer on occasion!! 8O

Are most Americans *really* stretched that thin? I doubt it.........At least, I HOPE not!
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby newdamage » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 10:34:39

I don't think it's so much that people are stretched thin, I think it's that in order to compensate for the extra cost of gas they have to reallocate money from other places: i.e. not going out to eat as much, not going to the movies as much, etc, etc. This means that instead of the money getting pumped back into the economy it's just being sent to the oil companies coffers.

As gas gets more expensive people will cut the fat off their spending and focus on the essentials. People need to drive to work every day, it's a necessity. People can live without going to the movies or taking the kids to Applebee's on friday night.

Just makes me glad I only live 3 miles from work and own a good commuter bicycle with panniers.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby Ranglepung » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 10:57:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'B')ingo! I've been using my credit card to buy gas for the past 5 years++ but I pay my credit card bill in full every month. Why do I use plastic? B/C it's much more convienent. I don't have to walk into the store to meet the cashier to exchange cash and with credit you always have exact change.

I'm surprised there are still people out there who buy gas with cash.


But you are still living a month "behind" if you do this, unless you pay the credit card bill from a savings account which gets a refill with the same amount every month.

But as an aside, isn't debet cards in use at all over there?
In Norway there are relatively few that uses credit cards, but debet cards are in wide use. If you use that, you're always ahead, that means when you get your paycheck, it can all go towards bills that are coming, not bills you've already recieved, as you can't use more then you've got.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby Leanan » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 11:03:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ve been using my Discover card to pay for gas because they've been giving 5% cash back on gas purchases this summer.


Me, too! It's a very popular promotion this summer.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ets say you use 30 gallons a week (You have a nice big SUV/Pickup)
If you were paying $2.00, and now your paying $3.00 then you net change on your budget is 30 bucks a week.


That's $120 a month. A lot of people can't afford that. Some of my coworkers commute an hour or more to work, plus have kids to ferry around. They are filling up 2-3 times a week, and paying $200 more a month than they planned when they bought their cars and houses.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I just cant believe people are already stretched so thin that they cant absorb a 30 dollar a week change in the budget?! Thats 60 bucks between paychecks. Shit, I spend more then that just to smoke and have a beer on occasion!!


Well, that may be one benefit. Some people are dealing with the high gas prices by giving up smoking.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 11:20:22

I need to quit smoking, I know. :(

Maybe you guys can ride my ass till I quit. :-D

Filling up 2-3 times a week?! 8O Are they driving pickups/SUV's or are they driving economy cars? We fill up an average of once a week I figure. Having the Jetta TDI is really nice. 8)
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby Leanan » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 11:27:36

A lot of them are driving vans, pickups, and SUVs. Some because they need the SUV for the family. (To be fair, these days you can't throw the kids in the back of the station wagon or pickup. You need child safety seats, by law, which means if you have a lot of kids, you need a minivan or SUV.) Some because they transport equipment that won't easily fit in a car. And some just because they like being higher than the other cars on the road.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 11:33:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BitterSweetCrude', 'I')'ve been using my Discover card to pay for gas because they've been giving 5% cash back on gas purchases this summer. The rest of the year I only get 1% back. I've never paid a cent of credit card interest because I pay the card off every month.
My Diamond Rewards card lets me trade in the points for Shell and Exxon gift cards.
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Re: US drivers use credit cards to manage gasoline pain

Unread postby Leanan » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 11:34:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut you are still living a month "behind" if you do this, unless you pay the credit card bill from a savings account which gets a refill with the same amount every month.


I consider that a good thing. My money stays in my account, earning interest for me, as long as possible. I always pay at the last possible moment. Even my income taxes - I mail my check April 15, and I always owe, I never get a refund. I'm not gonna let Uncle Sam use my money interest-free.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut as an aside, isn't debet cards in use at all over there?


Some people use them, but due to the banking laws, you get a lot more protection (from theft, etc.) if you use a credit card. If someone steals your debit card, they can empty your account, and you'll have no money at all. The bank may or may not fix it. (They've been known to claim that it must have been you drawing out all the money.) It often takes weeks, even months, to clear up the mess - a long time to be without your money.

If your credit card is stolen, they are stealing the credit card company's money, not yours. So it's a much easier fix. They issue you a new card, and you're back to shopping in three days.
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