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Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby J-Rod » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 22:14:56

I came across this blog whilst reading some ROE newsgroups. I thought it was interesting enough to share.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he key point is that non-OPEC light sweet crude went from 41% of 66 mb/d to 34% of 70 mb/d from 2000 to 2004, a drop of 3.26 mb/d. OPEC added 1 mb/d of light sweet crude over the same period resulting in a global reduction of light sweet crude of over 2mb/d showing that global light sweet crude has peaked and is now in decline.


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Re: Light Sweet Crude is peaked?

Unread postby Jack » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 22:46:32

Interesting post! This would explain the present market action - the divergence in price between light sweet crude and heavy sour.

So...if the price consequences of a peaking in one grade of oil are starting to cause discomfort, what will the main event cause? 8O
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Re: Light Sweet Crude is peaked?

Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Mon 22 Aug 2005, 22:47:58

Yep.

That's probably the reason why we have slightly higher prices as opposed to astronomical prices. (Well, that and fear I guess..)
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Re: Light Sweet Crude is peaked?

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 12:25:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'I')nteresting post! This would explain the present market action - the divergence in price between light sweet crude and heavy sour.

It also explains the increase in refinery fires. Heavy crude contaminates the equipment causing it to break.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude is peaked?

Unread postby Eli » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 12:58:19

The peak of light sweet crude is here and this is the main event.

We need oil in such amounts that the refinerys cannot process the heavy sour fast enough due to the problems that BP said.

You have to use higher grade steel in the cokers because of the increased corrosiveness of the high sulfur oil which makes the whole process more expensive. And it wipes out old equipment fast.

The price of a barrel of oil could go anywhere right now up or down. No one in the market knows for sure what to make of where it will go, we are all every one in the world guessing. It has seen a major major run up, so there is lots of people getting out and covering there butts by taking profits now.

But I am betting we will see a super spike of over 100 dollars a barrel. The laws of supply and demand are coming into effect and I do not see demand destruction happening over night to high enough degree to lower the price anytime soon.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude is peaked?

Unread postby MD » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 13:05:04

I'm in the other camp. Economic brakes are squealing as we speak. $40 oil and recessionary economies by spring, for sure.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude is peaked?

Unread postby frankthetank » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 14:45:54

I'm going to agree with MD, but just because i'm sick of paying 2.60 to fill up my car :-D
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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby J-Rod » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 15:37:57

I have XM in my car, and was listening to Springer today on Air America. Part of the segment was on gas prices, and he was pushing the idea of the whole EPA paper that wasn't released so that the energy bill would go through. He was right, in that we would be using less overall if most of the cars and SUVs weren't so damn wasteful. I called like 20 or 30 times trying to get in, to get him and other listeners to look at the big picture. Nothing but busy signals, everyone was basically complaining about how bad it is now. All I can think about is what's going to happen when we start hitting the real market prices, and not the artificially low ones we have been enjoying for so long.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude is peaked?

Unread postby Sgs-Cruz » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 16:23:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I')'m in the other camp. Economic brakes are squealing as we speak. $40 oil and recessionary economies by spring, for sure.


I agree. Demand will be reduced, and the effects of PO begin to set in (job loss, inflation...) even as the nominal price goes back down.

Now comes the part that isn't as fun as watching the price reach new heights every day and posting about it on the Internet.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude is peaked?

Unread postby clv101 » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 17:14:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sgs-Cruz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I')'m in the other camp. Economic brakes are squealing as we speak. $40 oil and recessionary economies by spring, for sure.


I agree. Demand will be reduced, and the effects of PO begin to set in (job loss, inflation...) even as the nominal price goes back down.

Now comes the part that isn't as fun as watching the price reach new heights every day and posting about it on the Internet.

Indeed, it could very well play out this way. In fact even several years into the depression with oil cheaper than now most people won't be talking about or even realise we're in the middle of an energy crisis.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby Eli » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 18:51:13

People will know very well we are in an energy crisis.

With the UK and US hitting peak natural gas everyone will know we are in an energy crisis regardless of the price of oil because the lights will be off along with the heat in the winter.

You guys may be right but I do not think so 67 dollars is no peak at all for oil prices. If the world falls into recession because of that it just seems to easy to me.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby Pfish » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 19:08:09

One idea that popped into my head is what happens if the price of gas goes up and everybody keeps buying it? Hell, it is not having an impact on the freeways in San Diego as far as I can see. Inflation?

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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby Sgs-Cruz » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 19:16:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pfish', 'O')ne idea that popped into my head is what happens if the price of gas goes up and everybody keeps buying it? Hell, it is not having an impact on the freeways in San Diego as far as I can see. Inflation?

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Well that can't really happen for very long. People only have so much money, at some point they can't afford any more gas :)
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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby CARVER » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 19:17:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')... With the UK and US hitting peak natural gas everyone will know we are in an energy crisis regardless of the price of oil because the lights will be off along with the heat in the winter.


With the lights off we won't be able to see it, and if we don't see it, it ain't there :)

Here is another article: sweet and sour. Contains some graphs from the EIA about the spread between light sweet and heavy sour.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby Pfish » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 19:34:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sgs-Cruz', '
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Well that can't really happen for very long. People only have so much money, at some point they can't afford any more gas :)


Actually, it could be factored into the cost of living. i.e. inflation. In SD, all the real estate millionaires have money to burn. $2.50-$3.50 is not going to slow this group down.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby clv101 » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 03:05:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CARVER', '[')url=http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/08/sweet_and_sour.html]sweet and sour[/url]. Contains some graphs from the EIA about the spread between light sweet and heavy sour.

Excellent article, I was just about to post this myself!
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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby nero » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 04:16:16

THe Econobrowser article is very good. But I would quibble with it in one respect. While heavy sour refinery capacity is limiting and the spread has widened, the price of heavy sour crude is also increasing so you can't blame the runup on refinery capacity constraints alone.

Another factor is that refining has been a very poor business to be in for a couple of decades. So it could be argued that the increase in spread is simply the return of rational price differentials now that there is no longer a glut of refining capacity.
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Re: Light Sweet Crude has peaked?

Unread postby Cool Hand Linc » Wed 24 Aug 2005, 05:54:49

Interesting times we are living in.
Peace out!

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