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Global oil crisis lurking

Unread postby The Ducker » Sat 04 Sep 2004, 22:41:19

Global oil crisis lurking, Demand growing, supply leveling off by Marilyn Geewax, Cox News Service, Sept. 5, 2004 12:00 AM:
link Looks like that-quack!, er...I mean, peak oil is getting mor - quack!...um, more-quack! good coverage.

Seriously,though, I hate it when these reports, while increasing in frequency, and more detailed information, generally seem to revert back to: "Well, ya just never know!" when in reality, the scientific consensus truly is before 2020, right around 2010, because no one's yet explained what this myterious "unidentified non-conventional oil" EIA is using to balance out the SHORTAGE in supply beginning in 2010 really is.
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Unread postby geingrene » Sun 05 Sep 2004, 04:08:05

Hey fellow Quack,

Yep Yahoo business news had a story on it, so you know it's mainstream. Most people who are intrested in the ramifications are convinced some oil will be found, or that a techno marvel will save the day (like the false messiah "Hydrogen" and the "Freedoomed Car").

Enjoy the doom and gloom whilst you still have a puter' to write with. [smilie=car3.gif]
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Unread postby Sedona » Mon 06 Sep 2004, 00:50:16

I saw a video by Colin Campbell who said that "unidentified non-conventional oil" is a emphemsim for "depletion".
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Unread postby Sedona » Mon 06 Sep 2004, 00:53:14

Dang spell checker! ... euphemism for "depletion."
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Unread postby Laurasia » Mon 06 Sep 2004, 10:32:04

You guys are funny! Thanks for the humour - we're going to need some in our peak oil scenarios! :D

Regards,

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Unread postby Cyrus » Sat 07 May 2005, 10:08:31

http://www.lefthook.org/Theory/Chege050505.html

I find this a very powerful statement.
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Unread postby Sys1 » Sat 07 May 2005, 13:19:41

Excellent article. 8)
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Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both peaked?

Unread postby LadyRuby » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 10:21:43

I think these may be true, but do you have any evidence to base these on? I'm proposing some research, and I'd like to be able to assert that conventional oil has peaked in non-Opec countries, and that worldwide light sweet crude has peaked.
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Unread postby MD » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 11:54:35

There may be a very temporary surplus beginning soon. Then it will be down hill all the way.
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Unread postby Zentric » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 13:51:24

Yes. Applying simple "chaos theory", with the world going to hell, why shouldn't oil production go to hell, as well?
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Unread postby MicroHydro » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 13:57:47

I agree. In retrospect light sweet peaked in early-mid 2004 when the drop offs in North Sea (Norway&UK) and Mexico-Cantarell are taken into account. Global total oil production has been maintained and increased only by diluting the Saudi export mix with more heavy sour from wells previously held in reserve.

The conventional non-OPEC oil that remains to be fully exploited (Alaska, Sakalin, various places in Africa, South China Sea) is insufficient to offset the declines in existing non-OPEC fields.
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Unread postby Antimatter » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 04:00:28

I don't think you will be able to find if light sweet crude has peaked, (Mexico's Cantarell field was heavy crude anyway) unless maybe you shell out $100,000 for IHS Energy's database. :) According to the BP statistical review, link, non-OPEC production in 2004 was higher than 2003, so no it doesn't appear to have peaked yet. Non-OPEC non-FSU also increased slightly. The EIA also gives production figures. Unfounded opinions and speculation are, of course, free.
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Re: Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both pea

Unread postby clv101 » Sat 20 Aug 2005, 16:59:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'I') think these may be true, but do you have any evidence to base these on? I'm proposing some research, and I'd like to be able to assert that conventional oil has peaked in non-Opec countries, and that worldwide light sweet crude has peaked.

OPEC agree with you. The data from OPEC's August monthly report doesn't seem to have been picked up by many, I've written about it on my blog:

OPEC Reveal Global Light Sweet Crude Peaked
The key point is that non-OPEC light sweet crude went from 41% of 66 mb/d to 34% of 70 mb/d from 2000 to 2004, a drop of 3.26 mb/d. OPEC added 1 mb/d of light sweet crude over the same period resulting in a global reduction of light sweet crude of over 2mb/d showing that global light sweet crude has peaked and is now in decline.
http://www.vitaltrivia.co.uk/2005/08/26

It would certainly look as if the remaining oil not only is going to have a lower extraction rate but also be heavier and of higher sulphur content. Check out the OPEC report (linked on my site) for the numbers.
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Re: Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both pea

Unread postby MicroHydro » Sat 20 Aug 2005, 21:41:58

Agree, Chris has proven it, peak sweet light happened 1-4 years ago.
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Re: Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both pea

Unread postby Taskforce_Unity » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 07:31:41

Non Opec has not yet peaked, there are still lots of new projects coming to offset decline.

A few examples:

Buzzard UK (2006) 200.000 b/d
Mexico Crudo Ligero Marino 400.000 b/d
Russia Yuzhno-Khylchuyuskoye 200.000 b/d
Azerbaijan ACG mega-structure Phase 1+2+3 1.2 mb/d
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Re: Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both pea

Unread postby clv101 » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 07:37:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Taskforce_Unity', 'N')on Opec has not yet peaked, there are still lots of new projects coming to offset decline.

A few examples:

Buzzard UK (2006) 200.000 b/d
Mexico Crudo Ligero Marino 400.000 b/d
Russia Yuzhno-Khylchuyuskoye 200.000 b/d
Azerbaijan ACG mega-structure Phase 1+2+3 1.2 mb/d

Are these all light sweet? And do they all add up to more than the 3.26 mb/d non-OPEC light sweet crude we've lost since 2000 and further depletion this year moving forward?
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Re: Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both pea

Unread postby backstop » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 08:37:47

Lady Ruby -

With regard to the peaking of Light Sweet Crude, it seems to me (and am no geologist) that in terms of the core issue of Peak Oil, namely the end of cheap oil, Peak Light Sweet Crude was Peak Oil.

Which would mean that, just like the US oil production peak in the early '70s, the significant global peak has happened but was only spotted afterwards.

Good luck with your research project.

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Re: Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both pea

Unread postby Taskforce_Unity » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 11:01:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clv101', 'A')re these all light sweet? And do they all add up to more than the 3.26 mb/d non-OPEC light sweet crude we've lost since 2000 and further depletion this year moving forward?


Buzzard --> The oil consists of a light sour crude (32° API, 1.4% Sulphur)
Crudo Ligero Marino --> probably heavy or medium
Yuzhno-Khylchuyuskoye --> light sweet
Azerbaijan ACG mega-structure--> mostly API 32 - 36 low sulfur, light sweet

AS you can see there is still an increase in oil production, these are only 4 of the projects i have
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Re: Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both pea

Unread postby clv101 » Sun 21 Aug 2005, 11:05:50

Oh yeah, no one is saying there isn't still an increase in production overall. It's the decrease in light sweet that is interesting.
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Re: Have non-Opec, and global light sweet crude oil both pea

Unread postby Sparaxis » Tue 23 Aug 2005, 02:08:00

One thing has bothered me about this report. It claims "In 2000, non-OPEC crude output was 66 mb/d and....in 2004 with production at 70 mb/d..."

What are they referring to? In the same report, p. 29, in the summary table of world oil supply, non-OPEC production is shown as 49.81 mmbd in 2004.

That's the correct figure for non-OPEC production (OPEC is now at about 30 mmbd, NGLs, etc. being the rest). So what is the 70 mb/d? None of the articles I've seen referring to this explain this discrepancy.
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