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Re: Peak oil is nonsense

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 18:15:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'L')et me put it this way. DVDs cost more when they intially came out than VHS, yet their advantages made people give up VHS almost completely. That's what I think could happen with Oil. We come out with something that has more advantages and switch to it. Over time, it will become cheaper.


Yes, but if the materials necessary to make both DVDs and VHS suddenly skyrocketed, the price of both would go up.

If the banking system was dependent on a constantly and steadily increasing supply of DVDs, as was the food and telecommunication systems, you can see why we'd have a problem just shifting over.

Also, comparing our oil situation to DVDs/VHS is a bit silly when you think about it?. We are talking about the single most life-giving, precious, and necessary (second only to water maybe) commodity on the planet. This isn't just another consumer item we're talking about. (I don't mean that to sound adversarial although I realize it might.)

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Unread postby Pops » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 18:27:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', '
')If you take the time and energy you've put into this thread and put up a "Peak Oil Debunked" site, I would gladly link to it.


http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/


Lets see Matt, aren’t you and Julian Darley, Colin Campbell, Jay Hanson, etc the top hits of the PO movement?

Yea it is hot, is that why won’t you live up to your word?
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Re: Peak oil is nonsense

Unread postby dunewalker » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 18:31:18

Tyler made the essential point, which seems to go by the wayside again and again: our system is utterly dependent on CHEAP oil. This is so much more important than the concept of peak oil. No alternative will suffice unless it can be had for what we're paying for oil up to now, without substantive changes to our world.
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Re: Peak oil is nonsense

Unread postby JudoCow09 » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 18:40:20

If gold was all suddenly worth $100 a pound post-peak, we'd be fine, would we not? Maybe I'm wrong.

Hey, the front page compares Humpty Dumpty to our current predicament and I'm sure none of you are sitting there thinking that's silly. It's principle, not factors.
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Re: Peak oil is nonsense

Unread postby scordry » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 18:41:21

I went to the debunking peakoil blogspot, which purported to have "facts and figures" to expose peakoil. But I didn't find anything but the usual uninformed rantings of a typical cornucopian with no real idea about the Physics involved in alternative fuels, etc.

Did I miss something?

I am interesting in the "other side," but I didn't find anything there.

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Re: Peak oil is nonsense

Unread postby JudoCow09 » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 18:45:39

Peak Oil isn't a energy crisis(which it was until that was disproven), and it's not a liquid fuel crisis(because we have alternatives), it's a cheap multipurpose material crisis. Would the world economy rather crash into the ground, or work together to use (relatively) more expensive alternatives to what we have?
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Unread postby MonteQuest » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 19:27:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MattSavinar', 'I') already debunk all the arguments on my site. John's blog is nothing more than personal attacks on me, Julian Darley, Colin Campbell, Jay Hanson, and the peak oil "movement" in general, associating all of us with the fascist political movements, which is just laughable.


Yep. This JD's way of trying to get in the last word. The other day he posted his so-called last post--guess it wasn't. :roll: His blog is a continued attack on me as well.

He bailed from peakoil.com because he knew he could not survive here with his conduct. Guess he had a heads-up inside snitch to warn him about what was coming down the pike. :P
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Re: Peak oil is nonsense

Unread postby SurvivalAcres » Wed 17 Aug 2005, 21:20:10

Funny, the board topic index said "Peak Oil is Nonsense" and the very next thread topic was "Peak Oil Is Here"!
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Re: Peak oil is nonsense

Unread postby deconstructionist » Thu 18 Aug 2005, 09:39:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SurvivalAcres', 'F')unny, the board topic index said "Peak Oil is Nonsense" and the very next thread topic was "Peak Oil Is Here"!


Peak Oil Is Nonsensically Here!!! The lack of cheap oil has compromised the very threads of reality! Man turns on crude oil spigot in bathroom only to find the tap has run dry!! "Damnit!! How can I brush my teeth with my petrolium-based plastic-britslted toothbrush without my damned oil spigot?!" OPEC officials refused to comment when contacted in their bio-diesel limosine...

now that's some nonsense...
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