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Postby EnemyCombatant » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 13:16:56

Not only that, they could service the straight men giving Iraqi women a break.
Now why didn't I take the blue pill.
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Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby wisegoat » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 04:32:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')our-star General Kevin Byrnes, head of U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Fort Monroe, Va. (TRADOC) has been fired just as a "nuclear drill" has been set for Aug 17, 2005. http://tradoc.monroe.army.mil/casemate/ ... ercise.htm

The unprecedented dismissal of a four-star general using the flimsy excuse of "adultery" has led to intense speculation that the "nuclear drill" is intended to be used as a cover story for an actual nuclear detonation.

The 9/11 controlled demolition of the World Trade Center in New York and the 7/7 so-called London Bombings both had terror drills coinciding with these "terrorist" events.

In both acts of "terrorism," government authorities had scheduled "drills."

The so-called "drill" on Aug 17 involves a scenario in which a nuclear warhead is to be smuggled into Charleston, South Carolina.

The exercise will include participation by FEMA, based in Fort Monroe, Virginia.

There has been intense speculation that General Kevin Byrnes was fired for attempting to prevent the drill from going "live," contradicting Pentagon-Neocon plans for providing another false flag operation as justification for attacking Iran.


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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby killJOY » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 09:00:00

Also posted on that site:

"Mercury Retrograde Ends Aug. 15"
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby wisegoat » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 12:05:09

Well conspiracy sites are full of conspiracies. He actually got fired though. Alex Jones picked up on the story too.. I guess we'll have to wait and see?

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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 16:54:06

Non-neocon generals are probably really behind the 8-ball these days.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby BabyPeanut » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:13:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'A')lso posted on that site:

"Mercury Retrograde Ends Aug. 15"

I hate to break it to you but most newspapers run horoscopes.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby TheSupplyGuy » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:14:46

I think Shannymara's story sounds a lot more credible than the first. Or maybe I refuse to believe anything will happen to Charleston, considering I move down there soon? We'll see in 2 days.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby Drusillus » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:19:30

August 17th is also the end of the "grace period" for settlers being evicted from Gaza, at which point the Israelis can start forcibly removing people...
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby duke3522 » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:22:58

They don't just fire 4 star generals for no reason. Something is up. Most likely a message to the rest of the military to toe the official line.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby VinceG » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:23:00

rumors...assumptions...
we'll just have to wait and see, there's nothing we can do about it anyway...

I will carefully watch the news on wednesday, but don't expect anything major to happen....
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby BabyPeanut » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:28:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ress Release
Exercise to focus on nuclear terror scenario
Posted Jun 29, 2005 at 1:00:PM MDT

FORT MONROE, Va. -- Here’s the scenario…A seafaring vessel transporting a 10-kiloton nuclear warhead makes its way into a port off the coast of Charleston, S.C. Terrorists aboard the ship attempt to smuggle the warhead off the ship to detonate it. Is this really a possibility?

Joint Task Force Civil Support (JTF-CS) here is planning its next exercise on the premise that this crisis is indeed plausible.

Sudden Response 05 will take place this August on Fort Monroe and will be carried out as an internal command post exercise. The exercise is intended to train the JTF-CS staff to plan and execute Consequence Management operations in support of Federal Emergency Management Agency Region IV’s response to a nuclear detonation.

Some of this year’s objectives for SR05 are to refine nuclear incident Concept of Operations, produce a CM Operation Order, refine command post set-up procedures and maintain situational awareness of multiple CM incidents.

The Sudden Response exercise has been held at Quantico, Va., in the past, but has been moved to Fort Monroe to maximize command post training time. The senior leadership felt that it was more important to accomplish training instead of losing up to a day and a half in travel time, said Paul Deflueri, J7 Lead Exercise Planner. “This will allow us to still meet our training objectives,” he said.

Some external participants may work with JTF-CS during the exercise.

“We’re trying to get representatives from FEMA Region IV as well as representatives from South Carolina Emergency Management Division and active duty soldiers from the (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear and Explosive) Consequence Management Response Force to play the role of task force units,” Defluri said.

“Each time we do one of these internal exercises, we try to make it more robust and try to add in fidelity,” Defluri said. “That’s what we’re trying to do for SR05: create a good scenario and be able to replicate the effects as best we can. That way we can give the command a really good CM exercise.”

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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby BabyPeanut » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:33:50

http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/ ... p_ups.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') Bitch-Slap Upside the Head

April 25, 2005,
I was at the University of Wisconsin last week, doing Q and A after a lecture, when somebody asked me what it would take for the American public to start paying attention to the grave energy issues coming down at us. I answered, speaking figuratively, a bitch-slap upside the head

He said "nappy head" on the Global Public Media interview that formed the basis for the movie The End Of Suburbia

Nuclear bitch-slap?

http://physics911.net/nuclearterror.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s Alex Jones of infowars.com and others have pointed out, terror "drills" are now known to be part of the cover stories for real terrorist operations, as evidenced by the eerily synchronous terrorism drills happening on both 9/11 and 7/7.

Recently, former CIA analyst Philip Giraldi has informed us that "Vice-President Cheney has tasked STRATCOM with "drawing up a contingency plan to be employed in response to another 9/11- type terrorist attack on the United States" and that "the plan includes a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional and tactical nuclear weapons." Investigators and counter-intelligence specialists are concerned that this upcoming August nuclear terror "drill" or another to follow might become the cover story and pretext for tactical nuclear war against Iran.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby dunewalker » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:36:08

I've been wondering why Prince Bandar suddenly resigned for "personal reasons" as Saudi Ambassador to the US after more than 20 years in Washington DC. Regarding his successor, Bandar said he was definitely "the right man, in the right place, at the right time". What might Bandar know that the rest of us aren't aware of (yet)?
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby threadbear » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:43:45

Some of the conspiracy hype surrounding the firing of this general could be classic muddying of the waters, to discredit conspiracy theory, in general, and to distract people from a prospect that is just as scary.

The neo cons are quietly replacing the upper military with born again Christians to prevent a military counter coup and to have an ideologically compliant police/military state in place, before the next elections.

This general won't be writing any book.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby VinceG » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 17:57:16

It wouldn't be very smart now to fire a 4-star general just a couple of days before you're planning on having a nuclear drill as a cover-story for an actual nuclear detonation. If they* are seriously planning on causing a nuclear disaster this wednesday, what's the point in firing a general just a couple of days in advance? This will only bring attention and speculation to the 'true' reason of why he was fired. They* don't need that. Don't worry, most of us will live to see the sunrise on Thursday :)

* Bush administration, Federal Terrorists, neo-cons, New World Order Illuminati etc. etc.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby threadbear » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 18:39:58

Vince G, I would hate anyone to think by reading my previous post that I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Actually, one can't use traditional political conspiracy as a model. It has to be assumed that thereare various criminal conspiracies operating within a political conspiracy. In other words, many standard conspiracy theories simply aren't "nutty" enough to explain the byzantine nature of the human social and political sphere.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby BabyPeanut » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 18:42:35

Er, not saying it's time to build a bomb shelter if you live near South Carolina but, if there is a nuclear explosion there then I will have more suspicions that 9-11 was self-inflicted.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby dunewalker » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 22:26:15

I don't think anyone is contending that the nuclear terrorism will occur in the vicinity of the "exercises" but rather that the exercises are being conducted to keep the anti-terrorism forces preoccupied away from the scene of the crime as it unfolds...
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby CrudeAwakening » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 22:45:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VinceG', 'I')t wouldn't be very smart now to fire a 4-star general just a couple of days before you're planning on having a nuclear drill as a cover-story for an actual nuclear detonation. If they* are seriously planning on causing a nuclear disaster this wednesday, what's the point in firing a general just a couple of days in advance? This will only bring attention and speculation to the 'true' reason of why he was fired. They* don't need that. Don't worry, most of us will live to see the sunrise on Thursday :)

* Bush administration, Federal Terrorists, neo-cons, New World Order Illuminati etc. etc.


A similar thing happened on 9-11, although the circumstances were a little different. The general in question (Winfield) didn't show for his scheduled testimony to the 9-11 commission.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')eneral Montague Winfield, director of the National Military Command Center ("NMCC") at the Pentagon: On the evening of September 10, Winfield arranged to be relieved of his scheduled shift at the NMCC on the next morning from 8:30 a.m. until 10:30 a.m. This (and the further absence during most of that period of Rumsfeld, Myers and Bush) left his rookie second in command, then Capt. Joseph Leidig, in control of national crisis management at the NMCC during the two hours of the actual attacks.
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Re: Pentagon Fires General Kevin Byrnes: Why?

Postby OilsNotWell » Mon 15 Aug 2005, 23:42:37

There are a few conflicting reports, but keep in mind that Ft. Monroe is 400 miles from Charlestown...exercise is set for 8/17 I read...

http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Fort+Monroe,+VA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Monroe,_Virginia

Also note that Ft. Monroe is set for base closing..
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