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Unread postby KevO » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 20:35:43

from that Christian press again

http://www.fcnp.com/522/peakoil.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')We will need a strong central energy authority make the many decisions and issue the orders to hold us together through the coming decades. As the legislative history of the 2005 energy bill shows, recent Congresses simply have not had the chemistry to make the kind of tough decisions that will be needed to deal with peak oil. Some type of “Energy Crisis Board” with extraordinary powers (like the War Production Board of World War II) will have to be set up. Congress will have to delegate to this Board, control over many aspects of our economy as they relate to the production, distribution, and consumption of energy.

It its simplest form, the new bill would give the new Energy Crisis Board the mandate and authority to do what it takes to solve the peak oil crisis, much the same way the Federal Reserve Board manages the money supply.

(Full article at link)
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Unread postby bobcousins » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 20:42:05

History shows that the US does not act without a "Pearl Harbor". I don't expect much intervention until after the economy has collapsed.
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Unread postby strider3700 » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 20:56:15

A pearl harbour event could be manufactured...
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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Unread postby Eli » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 20:59:15

Well said Bob

If Congress did what needed to be done TSWHTf.

Congress is reactive not proactive they are to worried about "keeping there phony balony jobs". They have to wait until TSHTF.

Ahhh a Mel Brooks fan... Blazing Saddles
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Unread postby Serious » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 23:22:18

What are the odds that the double-nickel will return this year?
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Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 23:23:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serious', 'W')hat are the odds that the double-nickel will return this year?


Doubtful. It seems there's no energy problem that can't be mitigated by drilling in ANWR. Speed on!
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 23:46:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serious', 'W')hat are the odds that the double-nickel will return this year?

And get ignored? Nobody drives 55 in the 55 limit areas.
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 23:48:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote(' Falls Church News-Press', 'O')utdoor lighting? Off!

Crime? Up!
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Unread postby hoplite » Mon 08 Aug 2005, 23:49:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serious', 'W')hat are the odds that the double-nickel will return this year?

And get ignored? Nobody drives 55 in the 55 limit areas.


I do. (Just cuz I love to piss people off)
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Unread postby Sgs-Cruz » Tue 09 Aug 2005, 00:08:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote(' Falls Church News-Press', 'O')utdoor lighting? Off!

Crime? Up!

Isn't this what is expected, though? As energy input to society decreases, standard of living falls.

Actually if you want to see where we could be as we regress down the "energy ladder", see this:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~dump/ENERGY_LADDER.png

Interestingly enough, the USA could be using half (half!) the energy per capita and have a Japanese/E.U. standard of living if they'd get their heads out of their asses and stop worshipping their cars.

This chart actually makes me somewhat hopeful, in that something like 60 - 65% of energy could be eliminated from Canada/USA before we start getting to Korean or Brazilian standards of living. That's a lot of years of oil depletion. The question is whether the planning to make that transition possible will happen.
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Unread postby americandream » Tue 09 Aug 2005, 01:22:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sgs-Cruz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote(' Falls Church News-Press', 'O')utdoor lighting? Off!

Crime? Up!

Isn't this what is expected, though? As energy input to society decreases, standard of living falls.

Actually if you want to see where we could be as we regress down the "energy ladder", see this:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~dump/ENERGY_LADDER.png

Interestingly enough, the USA could be using half (half!) the energy per capita and have a Japanese/E.U. standard of living if they'd get their heads out of their asses and stop worshipping their cars.

This chart actually makes me somewhat hopeful, in that something like 60 - 65% of energy could be eliminated from Canada/USA before we start getting to Korean or Brazilian standards of living. That's a lot of years of oil depletion. The question is whether the planning to make that transition possible will happen.


Per head of population, New Zealand has the largest numbers of cars in the world. Sorry mate, its not only the US that the problem..its the whole flamin planet.
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Unread postby duke3522 » Tue 09 Aug 2005, 01:38:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote(' Falls Church News-Press', 'O')utdoor lighting? Off!

Crime? Up!


I have always thought outdoor light just helped the criminals. I know my place better than anyone so I have the advantage in the dark. The best way to make any intruder think twice is a large dog. :twisted:
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Unread postby cammo2004 » Tue 09 Aug 2005, 02:14:29

Anybody who thinks that criminals are deterred by lights is a fool. On the other hand, lights and cameras in combination can be quite effective in identification.
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Unread postby Grimnir » Tue 09 Aug 2005, 04:11:59

If nobody had outdoor lighting except you, it would probably be an effective deterrant. Likewise, if everyone else had it and you didn't, you'd probably be at greater risk. However, I'm not sure that everybody having it is any different than nobody having it.
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Unread postby Mower » Wed 10 Aug 2005, 08:56:45

You can be sure that the US government will stage a "Pearl Harbour" in the near future, but not to fascilitate a PO solution, rather to instigate the neo-con fascist plan of conquering the American people and setting up a feudal society for the post PO.
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