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THE Coal Thread pt 4

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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby mousepad » Mon 27 Oct 2025, 07:13:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', ' ')But capitalism also creates robber barons and oligarchs,

are you telling me the alternatives to capitalism don't create robber barons?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')"We" don't need to gift it to Vladimir...

I'm sure you're right. At the end of the day, being the biggest and largest producer and consumer of oil gas & coal is not something I'm proud of.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Well how unfortunate. Because the government never put any restrictions on the potential oil and gas left on the old family place and how or to whom I decided to lease them to.

Get out of here! All your redneck bring-up was a sob story after all? You're born into oil and wood money? Good for you.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Do you live in some shitty semi-communist state or something?

Yeah, you know those places, don't you. Over regulated, over controlled, communist leaning blue states.
But since I'm a conservative and one of the highest item up my list is to conserve the environment, I actually don't mind. But for once I have to say, kudos to gov control.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')So my mineral and surface rights are in a bad gov state because I have more say over my property? Or a better capitalistic state?

Are you trolling me? It almost sounds none of the discussion we just had sunk in. You must be trolling me, right?
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby AdamB » Mon 27 Oct 2025, 10:30:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', ' ')But capitalism also creates robber barons and oligarchs,

are you telling me the alternatives to capitalism don't create robber barons?


No. But your argument isn't that capitalism is as shitty as other forms of government is it? Yet...presto....it delivers similar consequences that have NOTHING to do with equal rights for all, and as with other forms, actively acts AGAINST an even playing field.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')I'm sure you're right. At the end of the day, being the biggest and largest producer and consumer of oil gas & coal is not something I'm proud of.

Facts are just facts. I use them when parrots squeak out some stupid chest beating point.

I can't say "proud" is meaningful at all. The US just....IS....the world's largest oil and gas producer. LNG exporter. Only country that landed people on the moon. Etc etc. I suppose we can all be raging pro-American like our President, but imitating fools is hardly something to be proud of either.

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')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Well how unfortunate. Because the government never put any restrictions on the potential oil and gas left on the old family place and how or to whom I decided to lease them to.

Get out of here! All your redneck bring-up was a sob story after all? You're born into oil and wood money? Good for you.


Oh please. In the 70's two shale gas wells were drilled on my grandparents 100 acres. Vertical shale wells. They quickly declined, as such wells are wont to do, and within 5 years their value wasn't royalties, it was just domestic gas. Heating a house in the middle of nowhere, powering gas appliances, it was a godsend to my retired grandparents. They logged the place somewhere in that same time frame. I fled the holler as soon as I turned 18. And hillbilly is a better description.

The local coal company bought the rest of the mineral rights in order to drill air shafts to deep mines when they couldn't live on their own any more. So I've got 100 acres of wooded hills, royalties measured in a couple bucks a month on the gas sales, and the ability to sell any other mineral resources not already leased. Of which there are none of value.

But for some reason, I can do whatever I'd like with the minerals and timber and land that hasn't been previously leased, but for some reason you are restricted in some communist type state that doesn't allow you to be capitalist with your own property?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')Yeah, you know those places, don't you. Over regulated, over controlled, communist leaning blue states.
Apparently not. I am free to sell timber or any mineral rights I own to whomever I like. And apparently you can't. So what kind of communist nirvana do you live in?

Are you allowed to have guns where you live?
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby mousepad » Mon 27 Oct 2025, 11:12:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')Apparently not. I am free to sell timber or any mineral rights I own to whomever I like. And apparently you can't. So what kind of communist nirvana do you live in?

Me too, but I'm not free to just wild cut the whole acreage. You can understand that this makes sense, right?
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby AdamB » Mon 27 Oct 2025, 13:55:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')Apparently not. I am free to sell timber or any mineral rights I own to whomever I like. And apparently you can't. So what kind of communist nirvana do you live in?

Me too, but I'm not free to just wild cut the whole acreage. You can understand that this makes sense, right?


I absolutely understand various types of land conservation under reasonable rules. And could understand them for oil and gas, except apparently it doesn't apply there based on historical practice, other than the rules of capitalism in general.

I don't think I would want my lumber clear cut either, certainly that isn't how grandma and grandpa did it the last time. I recently drove through tree farms in southern Arkansas. They do clear cut. Do they get extra credit as they then reseed and regrow over the next decades? Or can that itself be part of some state/local rules of conservation?
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 27 Oct 2025, 19:30:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')Apparently not. I am free to sell timber or any mineral rights I own to whomever I like. And apparently you can't. So what kind of communist nirvana do you live in?

Me too, but I'm not free to just wild cut the whole acreage. You can understand that this makes sense, right?

I think you'll find that poster you're arguing with lives on a little suburban block and doesn't actually own shit, besides a nice hypothetical pulpit that is.
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 27 Oct 2025, 20:24:08

Let's see what dribble Google's AI cooks up about US electricity prices,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')S electricity prices are rising due to several factors, including increased demand from AI data centers, the need for grid infrastructure upgrades to handle extreme weather, higher natural gas prices, and supply chain issues affecting components like transformers. This has led to rate increases in at least 41 states and is causing prices to rise faster than overall inflation

Faster than inflation? Which is through the Fing roof as it is.
Dig a little deeper and the meme is
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')o, the rising cost of electricity is not primarily due to renewables, but rather to other factors like the volatility of fossil fuel prices

It's like the debate over homosexuality, just legalize it, let them get on with sodomizing each other. It's not like they are hurting anyone. And before you know it all the perverts are chasing your teenage sons and any hairy old man can follow your daughter into a public toilet as long he identifies as a woman. The slippery slope they call it. Greece went through the toyboy phase before it collapsed and so did Rome.

They have applied the same bulldozer marketing to the rebuildables. They are cheaper? Yes, because they keep telling us they are cheaper. But if we have so much now, and they are so much cheaper, then WHY is the price of electricity going through the roof! Because boys and girls, they are not cheaper, they are as expensive as all fuck and only last 20 years at best. Modern JIT, toasters and kettles, throw them in the bin in a year or two and buy another. Everything is heading that way and so is electricity production. All these massive sites were built with debt and repaying the debt is just one part of the ongoing costs associated with increasing electricity costs.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')istorically, coal plants have retired at an average lifetime of 46 years globally, but in many cases they can operate for 50–60 years or longer
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12618-3

So why retire them early? Because many of the ones built 45 years ago and more were cited near the cities and the exburbs have now gone past them. The RE, often on river banks, is now worth more as prestige home sites (apartments complexes often.) Also they were small in output and cities now consume huge amounts of power. And in truth they were dirty too. But such is not the case today. Many have been built with the latest scrubbing tech and many older ones retrofitted with it. There is no reason, aside from greenhouse gas paranoia, not to burn coal and have cheap electricity. All the rebuildables are made in China off the back of coal power plants anyway so what's the difference?

The difference is in the pea-brains of the average citizen who can't tell their left hand from their right and allow themselves to be raped up the backside by corporations making huge profits selling them renewable power. Thank God I live in Queensland where we are reversing this idiocy long before it got entrenched.


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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 27 Oct 2025, 20:30:09

Mid-Atlantic Lawmakers Unite In Push To Stop "Climate Cultists" As Power Bill Crisis Worsens
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')owering the Mid-Atlantic plans to hold hearings in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, and Virginia. The state delegates are joining forces because their states all share the same grid and transmission lines and have seen power bills skyrocket due to backfiring climate change initiatives, such as retiring reliable fossil fuel power plants for unreliable solar and wind. In return, PJM (Mid-Atlantic) remains critically tight, with limited spare capacity. We've outlined this alarming development last summer
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/m ... is-worsens
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Backfiring climate change initiatives have collided with the era of data center hookups across the Mid-Atlantic area. The Trump administration has rushed to bring retired fossil-fuel power plants back onto the grid to increase desperately needed spare capacity, while nuclear power won't be a major story until the 2030s.
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby AdamB » Mon 27 Oct 2025, 20:45:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')I think you'll find that poster you're arguing with lives on a little suburban block and doesn't actually own shit, besides a nice hypothetical pulpit that is.


I do live on a nice suburban block. With views of the mountains that you can't find anywhere in your land of rocket idiots.

The holler, and property I grew up on and ended up owning after everyone died, is back east in Appalachia. Great motorcycle roads there, I would grade them better than the ones here in the Rockys in general.
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 28 Oct 2025, 07:05:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q')ueensland has extended its commitment to coal-fired power generation, with the state-owned assets slated to run until at least 2046 under the 2025 Energy Roadmap. The government states this will ensure affordable and reliable power for decades


You're either in the Luck Country, or your in the Shit.

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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby AdamB » Tue 28 Oct 2025, 09:44:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')You're either in the Luck Country, or your in the Shit.


If Luck is defined by coal resources, Australia isn't lucky compared to the US. Plus, all that oral work on your knees for a King? That isn't lucky, that just makes you a coward because you aren't willing to stand up and say "Enough!".

That would require cajones. And without those....you CAN'T be lucky....just ballless.

Go figure out how to launch some vegemite better than Mousepad could, then folks won't remember your country because of its Olympians.
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 28 Oct 2025, 17:41:08

I know many Americans are jealous of Australia and the lives we lead, and all I can say is, pull up your boot straps and Make America Great again with whatever you have left.

You can start by getting down to Mc... Donald's and loading up on junk food.


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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby AdamB » Tue 28 Oct 2025, 19:56:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I') know many Americans are jealous of Australia and the lives we lead.....


Is that why you spend all your time talking about the USA? Because of how wonderful your beautiful and insignificant country is? And lives like YOU lead? A father embarassed by his own son? A poster who can't read a graph on oil production or pick his favorites off a list? I mean, you couldn't make it any more clear how jealous you are of America if you had our flag tattooed on your chest.
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 29 Oct 2025, 04:22:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'F')ossil fuel sees ‘decisive break’ from period of demand growth. Carbon emissions show little or no growth for third year: BP.
It’s the end of an era for coal.

Another fail for ol kub.

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Global use of coal hit record high in 2024
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby AdamB » Wed 29 Oct 2025, 09:08:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Another fail for ol kub.


An everlasting fail for Australia.

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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Wed 29 Oct 2025, 14:42:09

What Kub and his little following of fanboi failed to realize is that everything spewing out of the TV is not the truth. To find the truth, you have to follow the money! There was no big profit in reliable coal fired power, that just keeps money in the pockets of the citizens. but Huge profits can be made in rebuildable wind and solar systems, both of which, like cheap chinese toasters and cheap Battery powered cars, have to be replaced over and over again. It's false economics, the Battcar being one of the most egregious since it's only average Americans that bought them, and that will within a decade (a lot less actually) find themselves up for another big out of pocket replacement.

You don't see millionaires driving around them, except Trump and Elon for a marketing photoshoot. No self-respecting person would drive that shit! People of means don't limit themselves, and they don't buy cars with Shit resale values either. hey are too smart for that. Only Woke progressive retard types shoot themselves in the feet. Brainless people, people who let others do their thinking for them. A decade and more ago they drove Gas powered cars and thought nothing of it. Now they are all jumping up a down about rechargeable battery cars like they are a transition from Horse to automobile. Retards! There the types that in the supermarket who go through the cattle chute and do all the work themselves. Unpaid checkout operators, and they think they are Smart? That's the lowliest job on offer and they do it for free, no discount! Just more profit for the supermarket owners.

You'd have to be TOTALLY gullible to buy into any of this large-scale transition nonsense, it was only and ever a smokescreen to obscure the fact that we are running out of cheap oil and have no plan B.

The future for America, profits for the corporations and a degraded landscape for the people

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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby AdamB » Wed 29 Oct 2025, 18:52:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'W')hat Kub and his little following of fanboi failed to realize is that everything spewing out of the TV is not the truth.


So...same as everything you write?

Exactly how much of your saying stupid shit time (apparently the only kind of time you have) is spent in jealousy of America, interspersed with an occasional Australian beach pic as though America and half the rest of the planet doesn't have them as well?

A parrot doesn't know any more about the "truth" than the rocket scientists in your country know about launching vegemite 200' off the ground. Why? Because those rocket scientists, LIKE YOU, AND RAYGUN, are Australian. You being the least educated of of the bunch....and it shows Lucky, it really does.
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 30 Oct 2025, 02:04:21

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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby AdamB » Thu 30 Oct 2025, 14:46:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Australia, powering the world with Coal, currently the largest exporter.


Australia, giving away a precious natural resouce they don't even have as much of as the US does. Or oil. Or natural gas. Or agricultural products. Or all the other things you discover when comparing a First World country to a British colony. Why? Because selling all their resources is ALL they can do...it isn't as though they can make cars. Or rockets. Or helicopters. Or space ships. Or Ferris wheels. Or air planes. Or tanks. Or subs. Or anything to defend themselves, because being on their knees is just in their prisoner DNA.

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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 30 Oct 2025, 18:42:45

The US is supposed to have the largest coal reserves on the planet, so why are they not allowed to use them? The US always goes to Europe to fight it's wars, typically the British standing back in a safe place as US tanks and soldiers take the hits. Why? And the US funds the ongoing security with NATO, a total drain on resources while the Europeans sit back and munch croissants and sip coffee. Why do the British have such control over the People of the US?

Many authors have pointed to the connections between high ranking American people and the British Aristocracy. Fed Chairman Greenspan, arguably the most important man in US finance during his tenure, was given an honorary knighthood by the Queen of England. That's an honor reserved for those who do great and noble things for the Empire? Hint: Greenspan was born in the Washington Heights area of New York City. His father, Herbert Greenspan, was of Romanian Jewish descent, and his mother, Rose Goldsmith, was of Hungarian Jewish descent.

Jews run America, everyone know that! Run it for profit naturally. Rothschild appointed or co-opted Jews, The Rothschild banking family of England. America had a brief era of freedom in the 1800's, after that the British Empire resumed it's control and the rest is history. England and France, both seats of power for the Banking dynasties, funded the South. The South wasn't allowed to industrialize but instead it's raw materials, cotton etc, were shipped across the England. They were a colony basically. Both the North and South were funded by Europe to kill each other in the civil war. A war designed to break up the new nation.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y 1869, half of all American national debt could be found abroad (mostly in Europe)
https://uncpressblog.com/2022/04/13/how ... the-union/

It was never going to be a free nation, under God, as the people claim. But it had the appearance of one, a shallow appearance. Meanwhile British agents controlled all important money flows and dictated the foreign relations. And when the English wanted some dirty job done they simply whistled, and America came scampering to do their bidding. All the politicians know the score, they are all slaves to money. They will do what they are told and take their 30 pieces of Silver.
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Re: THE Coal Thread pt 4

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 30 Oct 2025, 20:51:52

U.S. production of all types of coal has declined over the past two decades
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=64924

That's not your Coal. You must use windmills, the coal is for others to enjoy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ountaintop removal mining (MTR), also known as mountaintop mining (MTM), is a form of surface mining at the summit or summit ridge of a mountain. Coal seams are extracted from a mountain by removing the land, or overburden, above the seams. This process is considered to be safer (the cover story) compared to underground mining because the coal seams are accessed from above instead of underground. In the United States, this method of coal mining is conducted in the Appalachian Mountains in the eastern United States. Explosives are used to remove up to 400 vertical feet (120 m) of mountain to expose underlying coal seams. Excess rock and soil is dumped into nearby valleys, in what are called "holler fills" ("hollow fills") or "valley fills


Yes, just trash the whole environment, why not, it's only one big open cut anyway and the lives of the serfs don't matter.
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