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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 18 Aug 2025, 20:29:27

Now we need to keep up with the Lies, this wonderful world of Lies we now live in.

Ford added 100 Billion dollars in debt as it bet on the future of Battery electric car and truck. They thought they were building their future :oops: But sales tanked and so they drastically scaled back production of the Lightning and other models, pushing the existing stock out the door at a fraction of the actual production cost. Perhaps they thought if enough people bought them the momentum would lead to better sales in the future? But it wasn't to be. The screwed up. They should gone out before they committed to the buildup and interviewed 1000 average ford buyers, asked them what they thought of EV's, it would have been a reality check. As it was they waited until they had thousands on the lot and discovered the hard way.

Their Battcars sold very well, but only reached 3.2% of overall sales, and that was before the big PeakEV downfall. A disaster! There was nothing especially wrong with the electric pickup they made, but it was a typical Battcar with all the associated downsides. The fanboi Beta testers got theirs but the broader public simply rejected them. This video explains the finances and failures well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG3-_hVgaeQ

So what now? Now they are trying to recoup some of the losses by jumping on the Half-breed car bandwagon, Gas powered trucks with a little battery augment. They are promoting them as EV but we know that's just a brand name. Actually their marketing is 50/50, EV/hybrid, they know the EV brand has suffered a lot of negative press but rather than leaving it in the bin they are dragging it along. Yes they are still selling full Battcars, but not many.

Ford Updates EV, Hybrid Plans, Readies Manufacturing Plants

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ord Motor Company said today it is retiming the launch of upcoming electric vehicles at its Oakville, Ontario, assembly plant. At the same time, it will continue to build out an advanced industrial system to produce its next-generation electric vehicles. This includes greenfield construction and conversion of existing assembly plants.
https://www.fromtheroad.ford.com/us/en/ ... uring-plan

It's an interesting webpage that one, actually a part of Ford's main website but pitched like it's an independent review. The header of the url ...fromtheroad.com/ is a woman's clothing site.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he company continues to invest in a broad set of electric vehicle programs as it works to build a full electric vehicle line-up.

Half-breeds branded as Battcars. It's all Bullshit, all of it. Only an idiot would go to a manufacturers website pre-purchase in the first place. You'll only get marketing spin, you'll learn nothing of the possible downsides. The same on the dealer lots, those men, and they are typically all men, are high level sales experts and know just how to manipulate you, pressure you, and always in the back of their mind is their commissions and monthly bonuses. I had a friend who was a good salesman and he could do business with them, get the deal, but the average buyer will always pay too much and the difference goes into the pocket of that helpful man at the dealership. Inke would have shafted by one nothing surer. A sucker born every minute.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby careinke » Mon 25 Aug 2025, 17:45:43

Lucky didn't you buy a Tesla S awhile back? Do you still have it, or did you sell it for one of your petrol consuming slow ICE machines?

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 02 Sep 2025, 11:02:17

Tesla's European Sales Slump Continues Into August

Kub, where are yoo when we need yoo
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')resh data from French car industry group Plateforme automobile show Tesla registrations down by 47.3 percent year-over-year in August, while the overall French passenger car market rose by 2.2 percent to 87,850 vehicles. The picture was even bleaker across the Nordic countries. In Sweden, Tesla registrations plunged by 84.4 percent, according to industry association Mobility Sweden, while overall sales climbed by 6 percent. Denmark saw Tesla down by 42 percent. The Netherlands registered a 50 percent slide.

All other things aside, one reason I could cite is that it's the same ugly shitbox car that came out 10 years ago! Why was it never updated in design? It's a pig compared to all other modern cars. Did he think it was gonna be some Legendary design that everyone would keep? Tell that story to Hertz.

Here's a 2015 one for sale
98,000 miles
Battery size: 0 kWh
Battery range: 0 miles
Max charge rate: 0 kW
So much for long life batteries :lol: No better than a Laptop, and why should they be, they are full of laptop batteries after all.
https://www.electrifying.com/used-cars/ ... av-2542232

Another 2015 model with ZERO range
https://www.electrifying.com/used-cars/ ... dr-2408275

The car yards are full of them. How screwed in the brain were these EVidiots, believing Elon Musk over all the practical examples of LiPO's dying by the 10 year mark. Absolutely Brain-dead.

2016, ZERO RANGE.
https://www.electrifying.com/used-cars/ ... av-2429283

People, Battcar fanboi, will even come on here claiming their cars are fine, fucking Liars, or astroturfers for Tesla. My torch batteries go the same way, fine for 6 or 7 years then they drop off a cliff. Shiny Garden ornaments.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Tue 02 Sep 2025, 13:38:02

Parrot says stuff.
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')All other things aside, one reason I could cite is that it's the same ugly shitbox car that came out 10 years ago!

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 12 Sep 2025, 03:42:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')esla owners are facing mounting frustration as the company denies refunds for its Full Self-Driving feature — even when customers' vehicles lack the hardware needed to support the promised technology.


So that's it for Inke, Full Supervised Driving forever, and don't take your eyes off the road or it's
"Strike one" "Strike two" "Strike three, Your Out" :lol:
Not only does he not have the promised relaxing driving experience, but he's now a Tesla puppet, dancing to the strings of the algorithm. Watched 24/7, every nose pick uploaded to the servers. You can stick that Right Up Your Arse! I'm an authentic human being, not some wetware peripheral of of an oligarchs empire.

This is why we call these people "Sheeple". They are not people at all, just conditioned units, Pavlov's dogs.
Pavlov's dog experiments played a critical role in the discovery of one of the most important concepts in psychology: Classical conditioning. https://www.verywellmind.com/pavlovs-dogs-2794989
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Fri 12 Sep 2025, 06:58:09

Global electric car sales exceeded 17 million in 2024. More than 20% of new cars sold worldwide were electric


A report from the Australian Automobile Association has revealed that this year’s second quarter saw the greatest number of electric vehicles to date in Australia.

29,244 electric vehicles were sold across April, May, and June 2025. Tesla led the charge with 8986 registrations; 81-percent of which went to the Model Y, alone shifting 7317 cars. Tesla’s sole other vehicle in Oz, the Model 3, still posted a respectable 1669 unit figure.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 12 Sep 2025, 12:35:42

It would be good to come here and discuss rational "Personal" solutions for our energy and financial dilemmas, ignoring the big picture, the national fortunes, which we have no control over and can't influence one iota. But alas the house is now haunted by trolls and cornucopian windsocks that can't see past the latest new promised technology, like it was a bowl of ice-cream. Well it's dogshit, just pointless pretend tech now, built on endless Lies about performance and utility and how it will improve your life. Take this home robot crap, like they will be in your house in a few years, doing all the work for under $20k. Next time you make a coffee, like as in spooning in the sugar and pouring in the milk, (and stirring it) just consider how many fine motor movements your arms and hands are performing, and how seamlessly you can do it. Now walk across a room with that near full cup. You'd be unlikely to spill it because of the innate balance we humans have, our feet and torso articulating precisely, our arm and hand moving the cup as we walk, just so, countering any slopping by tiny adjustments.

These robots are light years from that. They walk flat footed, clunk clunk clunk, their upper section swaying to maintain balance with no hope of performing even the simple task of maintaining a level coffee and stop it swishing over the rim. And that's a basic task! How about making a bed, or preparing a meal by cutting veggies and meat, and COOKING IT. Smelling when it's near done, tasting it to see if it needs more salt etc. These are all routine household jobs and many will be impossible for a robot as they have no sense of smell or touch or taste. Lets see one put on a pillow slip or shake out a doona eh?

For decades we have been saturated with movies of humans pretending to be robots, they walk just a little odd, their heads jerk just a tad to give the impression they are robotic, but do we see them making a coffee? And when they do something critical it's always a human movement because these are humans pretending to be futuristic robots. SciFi robots. Now we have labs trying to make Robots act as humans and their efforts are pathetic! Oh just wait, a couple more years...

Utter bullshit! These technologies aren't progressing exponentially, but linearly, slowly, just like computers are now. Computer memory was on an exponential track, that and related systems, miniaturization, due to hundreds of Billions being poured into the sector. But that's basically over now. Why the hell do you think they have to build such MASSIVE data centers? It's because the exponential curve of memory systems has flattened that's why. Look at the phone in your pocket, aside from a better camera and larger screen, faster connectivity, it's little different than the ones we were carrying in 2015, a decade ago. And lets not forget, while we have been diverting trillions into these techno non-necessities the rest of the build economy has been collapsing. What's more important in the end analysis, energy efficient houses for all, made of quality materials, roads networks maintained to a high standard and made safer by the decade, a robust electrical grid, or a little device in your pocket that lets you play games, tweet to people you don't know, and take endless pictures of yourself. Or a Battery powered car or a widescreen TV. They are nothing more than a little shot of heroin in the arm so people feel good about living in a squalid degenerating nation.

I watched part of vid earlier where Elon is on stage talking about the amazing future we will all be living in. Well that's if you're a billionaire who never has to worry about bills, to whom the price of even the most expensive food is irrelevant, who can buy any house in any country or have one custom built from the finest materials money can buy. But that isn't his audience is it. They are just average people, no doubt mired in debt for homes and cars, so much debt they don't even think about it anymore, just look at the monthly repayments and as long as they are covered by their income the world is fine. But the world isn't fine. It's like a super-volcano now and under the surface the lava is rising fast.

When things turn to shit down on main street the Likes of Elon Musk can just jump on a private jet and fly off to a private Island and leave it all behind. And the only reason he can is because he's sucked millions of people (fans) into believing that going into debt for an $80,000 car is the pinnacle of achievement in life. That paying him a monthly service fee of $120 for a starlink connection is smart too. Don't worry that you don't have the cash in the bank to repair your car or pay to get the house painted, you can just add that to your CC, you have hi-speed streaming of garbage movies and games now, so just grab that cheap bag of Cheetos and much away while he shops for another luxury mansion overseas.

No, there is no hope of a rewarding intercourse here now, the rational posters have left the room. I guess they just got sick off all the deniers and dreamers, the ones that just take everything the TV and Government departments and the Corporations spew out as Gospel. I'd like to think I'll still be here when the rugs finally pulled, when they give up pretending they are ever going to fix the national's health. When the true unemployment figures are uncovered, when the real value of the public stock market is exposed. But in reality I have watched it spiral down towards a Mexican style failed state for decades now and most people haven't even noticed the changes? Every state government is technically bankrupt, the rule of law in the cities is in tatters and it's only the free food being dolled out that's preventing mass riots like seen elsewhere in the world.

Living in a nice neighborhood in a typical city won't matter a fuck then. You'll just be a Big Fat target for every disgruntled arsehole on the street. I knew a Yank that emigrated here after the LA riots. His home, though quite nice, was made of ticky tacky, it was right in the middle of those Riots. They slept on the floor because the bullets went right through the walls he told me. He moved out here and started a new life at the back of the Gold Coast and was doing fine last I heard. That's what it'll be like there in the future, one big LA riot from coast to coast. Millions of people who hate each other, an entire society divided in a dozen factions, Blacks, South Americans, trans activists, red necks, Religious nuts armed to the teeth, both Christian and Muslim. it's going to be quite a show [smilie=new_popcornsmiley.gif]
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Fri 12 Sep 2025, 14:17:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I')t would be good to come here and discuss rational "Personal" solutions for our energy and financial dilemmas, ignoring the big picture, the national fortunes, which we have no control over and can't influence one iota.


Mission statement from the parrot. How about everyone knows the meaning of words before using them? How about folks can discuss their own ideas as well as others, rather than just saying the same stupid shit over and over because they are a parrot? How about when we bash a country because we are jealous of their success we admit WHY we bash the country up front? How about we all promise to have functioning brain pans to get in the door, rather than personal opinions that we desperately wish are true, and pretend are true, and pretend it is someone else's lacking when they point out how slack jawed silly said opinions are? How about...and this is a good one....we accept that there are facts in this world, and nonsense some people want to believe. The consequences screwing the pooch on peak oil 20 years ago are well documented here....and we now know that in these 7 years since global peak happened, and people don't want to be revealed as suckers, they certainly AREN'T HERE anymore.

Why should parents be embarassed to discuss their children? Why do people who screwed the pooch so badly with past prognostications pretend it is GroundHog day every day?

Good questions all.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 13 Sep 2025, 00:45:23

Go and have a look at robots doing precision work, detailed work. What you'll see is a very expensive, very heavy machine bolted down to a reinforced concrete slab. Under cover, out of the weather, away from electronic interference. Now take that technology and mount it on a pair of wobbly metal legs, that moves over uneven surfaces. Slippery tiles to fluffy carpet, stairs ffs :lol:

When I was young I was at a party at a Doctors house, drunk as a skunk. At around 1am I wandered into a bedroom and across plush carpet where a group were gathered around a Nitros cylinder filling balloons. I took one in my Left had, my right had a full glass of rum and coke in it. After I inhaled that balloon I spun out, as you do, and found myself collapsing onto my arse, I remember distinctly holding out the glass and saying to the bemused crowd, "Didn't spill a drop".

Robots will never achieve anything like that sort of coordination. The technocornucopian windsocks that believe in the idea of household robots are just masturbating. They have watched too many SciFi movies and confused those with reality
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sat 13 Sep 2025, 09:44:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')When I was young I was at a party at a Doctors house, drunk as a skunk.

Thank you for that story. It isn't a surprise that someone incapable of graduating high school, a parent embarassed by their own son, and a moron when it comes to numbers and a parrot when it comes to falling for every piece of nonsense as long as it agrees with your preconceived notions, has drunk as a skunk stories. Can't be bothered with that graduating high school thing....but booze? Ye Hah!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Robots will never achieve anything like that sort of coordination.


Based on what they HAVE achieved....it is enough. Seeing as how my new EV is assembled to standards at least as good as my ICE machines. But you wouldn't know that, because you have no experience with EVs and just don't like them, and pretend you not liking them means they are inferior. Your financial situation not requiring saving on operating and maintenance costs that are miniscule in comparison to polluting and vacuuming cash out of your pocket every time you turn the key ICE machines.

Hey, no complaint from me if folks don't know any more about saving money on cage costs than they do investing or PMs. Folks who graduated American high schools just figure they are some Third Worlders from Australia and it explains everything. You know, their rockets being the giveaway as to their competence in stuff. And inability to build cars. Or planes. Or Ferris Wheels. It is almost as though they are genetically....crippled....in some way? Like their ancestors were...criminals and even better, the stupid ones that got caught...and then chose other mental defectives to breed with. And from that gene pool then they picked the smart ones to try and build rockets?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 13 Sep 2025, 16:47:23

Trump Backs Off Promise To Sanction Russia, Issues Ultimatum To NATO

Bluffs no longer cut it, the dysfunctional US political system may have good control over it's citizens but it's clearly losing control in the international arena. The BRICS are an unstoppable force, the shift of India, a founding member's, radical acceptance of all thinks Ix and Putin at the recent summit clearly shows this. The US and it's allies could deal with Russia possibly, but not with all of them united.

They (and the West in general) have lost control of that energy wealth. Even Saudi Arabia is in their camp, though not officially. "May 8, 2025 — Saudi Arabia has held off formally joining the BRICS bloc of nations despite attending a meeting in Brazil last week, two sources said." I would suggest they aren't hedging their bets, but rather waiting for the appropriate moment to shift over. When they do they will lose all US support, military and otherwise. No doubt they are in backroom discussions with China and Russia over such matters.

Brazil blocked Venezuela's entry into BRICS due to post ...
Oct 25, 2024
A year later
Venezuela Moves To Russia & BRICS In The Face Of US Aggression August 24, 2025
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ussian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had a telephone conversation with Venezuelan Executive Vice President ...
In the course of the conversation, the two sides confirmed their mutual intention to further strengthen the strategic partnership ... Sergey Lavrov expressed solidarity with the Venezuelan leadership and reiterated full support for its efforts to defend national sovereignty and ensure institutional sustainability amid growing external pressure on Caracas.
https://russiaspivottoasia.com/venezuel ... ggression/

So there goes the largest oil reserves on the planet, that were right next door. They will enter the BRICS, nothing surer.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')razil's ex-President Bolsonaro sentenced to 27 years for coup plot...
President Trump was quick to react the news about his former political ally, telling reporters at the White House that he thought Bolsonaro "was a good president of Brazil"


Isolated from the world's energy the US will see it's already collapsing standards of living sinking like a stone in water. (but we have frac oil) which is mostly exported because it's light and useless for diesel, the driver of all nations. But we don't need to even investigate such "saviors" because they haven't made a difference so far, so why should they in the future.

Battcar bubbles and AI bubbles are just the smoke and mirrors to hide the obvious, the US is fast losing it's place as Boss of the World and is about to drown in an ocean of it's own debt. It's the debt! Servicing it is crippling the nation, from students to households to corporations to the federal government. Everyone is reining in spending because they running out of options. Only vastly lower interest rates could postpone the crisis and even with that it would be a short window of reprieve.

That's why the aware people have been stockpiling gold and silver
Why they have sold up in the cities and moved far from where the anarchy will be in the collapse
Why they have hardened their lives against loss of basic utilities like power and fuel
Why they have hardened their lives against sudden supply chain issues like during the Covid shutdown.

Covid was a test case of how modern societies will fare/behave when strict economic controls are applied, the loss of access to driving (fuel savings), certain foods, the loss of the right to travel where you want. The loss of elective medical treatments, and the overbearing social overwatch where people had to use digital devices to check into stores and offices with tracing apps. None of this effected those prepared for the ongoing collapse of out oil bases societies, if anything it was simply a test of their resilience. But the unaware learnt nothing from the event. When it was over they simply went back to living as before. When the next big curtailment of their lifestyles occurs they will be right back in the same place, scratching around for something to wipe their bum with and huddling in their homes in fear.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 13 Sep 2025, 17:41:16

The head of the German army is calling for more than doubling its forces in response to a perceived threat from Russia.
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/g ... th-russia/
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15

Postby AdamB » Sat 13 Sep 2025, 22:56:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')Funny. And I always thought the one and only thing going for electric cars is their cheap fuel.

Wife's employer provides it for free. However, the deal has gotten popular, as have EVs owned by employees. Folks are now scheduled through a online system, you sign up for a spot, everyone is allowed 4 hours, but then you've got to move to give someone else a chance.

Solar panels on the garage roof certainly contribute to making oer mile costs cheaper than ICE machines. Not everyone has these advantages of course. To each their own.


Exactly. Start advertising and building the ev that are useful. Small, short range commuter cars. Limited range, limited weight, limited size.


Sure...as long as that type of EV is what folks are selling. But useful, inexpensive, near maintenance free isn't sexy enough for most folks. People fall for advertising, it happens all the time. With motorcyclists it is big bikes, confusing riding ability with displacement or prestige or something, and the Harley guys (nowadays many dentists and doctors playing "cool" and needing fashion accessories) REALLY confuse displacement with being manly.

Get these folks on a track and wilt like ice cream on a hot sidewalk the first turn they go into.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 14 Sep 2025, 05:04:09

"EV SALES CONTINUE TO PLUMMET?"

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')V sales are not plummeting universally, but there are significant regional differences and slowdowns. While Tesla sales have seen a dramatic decline in Europe, the U.S. EV market showed a second consecutive month of decline in May 2025 but is still growing overall for the year, boosted by General Motors' strong performance.


06/28/2025 General Motors slashes $27,500 off the GMC Sierra EV pickup; offers 2.9% APR on older model year https://www.notebookcheck.net/General-M ... 034.0.html

Exclusive: GM cuts output, delays work at major EV factories, citing weak demand
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 025-09-04/
Yes they had a couple of record months, due to slashing prices and because buyers know the subsidies run out now. Plenty were sitting on the fence, they got pushed off.

EV Armageddon? Tesla, GM, Ford EV sales will be cut in half when tax credit expires, analyst says.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')uto research firm iSeeCars forecasts that, when the $7,500 EV purchase tax credit is removed, the electric vehicle share of the U.S. new car market will fall from its present 7% to 8% all the way down to 4% next year... If this prediction is accurate, there will be a bloodbath in the industry.
https://247wallst.com/cars-and-drivers/ ... t-is-dead/

It was called PeakEV, and kub and his fanclub was in denial, now he's run away with his tail between his legs like the A-typical whipped dog. Chalk another one up for Australian Brainpower.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s EV sales continue to plummet, Elon Musk says Optimus robots will make up 80% of Tesla’s value, despite production delays


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 14 Sep 2025, 05:25:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')acebook · GMC Sierra EV Group
30+ comments · 7 months ago
My 2025 Sierra EV has been very disappointing (purchased in early December). I seem to have a myriad of different sensory and software gremlins.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', 'For Four Straight Months Now I Have Had My GMC Sierra ...
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Jun 18, 2025 — Common issues include warning alerts, software glitches, and service delays tied to the high-voltage systems and battery management. While many ...')


https://www.facebook.com/groups/3278365 ... 595289953/
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Yikes, I’ve had some issues, but never this.
My dealer has been pretty good. They said that GM wants us treated better since we spent so much. I get a loaner any time the repair is going to be more than two hours...


Every time a repair is going on? WTF is going on? A new car shouldn't have any issues, for years! These are techo Lemons. F-me, all my bikes and my Suzuki 4x4 are faultless, have been since day one and some are 2, 7, 14 and in the case of the V6, 17 years old! A 17 year old car and only once a fault code for the ESP which turned out to be due to low voltage on the starter battery. But I could still drive it, the code vanished as soon as the engine started.

What The FUCK is wrong with these EVidiots? Why are they buying this trash? Can't they google search "Problems with ..." Do they actually want to buy cars that spend half their time in a Dealership getting repaired?

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sun 14 Sep 2025, 10:08:21

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My 2025 Sierra EV has been very disappointing (purchased in early December). I seem to have a myriad of different sensory and software gremlins.


I recommend not buying a vehicle from a manufacturer that hasn't always been known for quality. I wrote my first OpEd for the local paper back when the story was about Japan Inc taking over, as low cost and very reliable Honda Acords and Toyota Corollas were being snapped up and ran and ran and ran...as compared to my buddies Blazer that Daddy had bought him when he graduated that was an absolute pile.

The good news is that American cage manufacturers learned, built better products in general, etc etc. The Japanese manufacturers are certainly still around and building some top notch stuff though. I've got 2 American cages and 3 Japanese ones, and I have some of each for VERY specific reasons. The American cars are all analog and older, can be fixed by regular folk with parts still in production or available, they can tow (whereas my Japanese cars don't tend to favor such things), and are generally less fuel efficient.

So we each have to suffer the trials and tribulations of our purchases....I recommend research on ANY new technology/product built by American cage manufacturers. They might end up getting it as right as a first year Japanese model, but it is unlikely.

And don't touch a Hardley Ableson with a 10 foot pole, Americans have never really figured out decent motorcycles. Although Buell gave it a good effort. We can put working helicopters on Mars, being American, but our cage builders seem to have to start from scratch with each higher technology item they put in their cages.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 15 Sep 2025, 15:07:21

Ram Cancels All-Electric Pickup Truck Plan Citing Slowing Demand

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')am has abandoned plans to launch an electric pickup truck, according to a Sept. 12 statement from Stellantis. “As demand for full-size battery-electric trucks slows in North America, Stellantis is reassessing its product strategy and will discontinue development of a full-size [battery-electric] pickup,” the company stated.

In December 2024, the company stated that it planned on launching its Ram 1500 battery-electric pickup in the first half of 2025. As part of the latest decision, Ramcharger, a pickup truck featuring an electric battery and a gas engine, will be renamed the Ram 1500 REV.

“This vehicle will set a new benchmark in the half-ton segment, offering exceptional range, towing capability, and payload performance,”


So, a Halfbreed, a Hybrid, a step back to the "transition" vehicle, or Transvehicle :P
Kub would call these EV's too of course, because that's how the marketing pitch has gone. But call them anything you like and it doesn't change the fact that the good ol USofA isn't going to ween itself off gasoline as was predicted 10 years ago. But how could it? The nation runs on Diesel trucks and trains and to GET THAT DIESEL you need to distill millions of barrels of oil. And guess what? With the diesel, out comes millions of barrels of gasoline.

What to do with all that Gasoline? The oil companies certainly aren't going to pump it back underground, impossible anyway for lots of reasons. No, they are going to sell it of course. This is just one Elephant in the room as far as a mass transition to all-electric vehicles, and why it was patently obvious to anyone looking past the chatter of Elon Musk that said transition was NEVER going to happen.

Oh the poor cornucopian windsocks, another fantasy dashed. And that's the problem with Hopium, the hit never lasts and then you are on the downer, back to the real world of depleting oil reserves and collapsing economies. The solution? Another big hit of Hopium of course.

Lap it up you fools.


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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Mon 15 Sep 2025, 19:24:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]Ram Cancels All-Electric Pickup Truck Plan Citing Slowing Demand


A different title:

American company that can build things Australia can't, decides it can't sell enough to make money.

As opposed to..."Land of halfwits that can't build cars...let alone advanced ones....or Ferris Wheels......irritated that countries that can, can also put helicopters (something else Aussies can't build) on Mars....so they whine like children.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 15 Sep 2025, 20:17:21

There is an old saying, would you rather fall the sidewalk into the street, or from the 7th floor. That's the problem with living in a reining empire, great on the way up, Disastrous on the way down. It's not just that they fall further than other nations, it's the psychological shock of having been once a great nation and realizing that you have fallen so far.

About 20 million Americans deny the fact that their nation once landed men on the moon, I understand this phenomena, they are in denial of the nation's collapse from those lofty heights. Better to believe they never achieved such a feat 65 years ago than face the fact that they dropped the ball and that now former defeated enemies like Japan have advanced rocketry and the once backward Chinese are putting landers up there. Will they send humans? Doubtful, what's the point? There's nothing there but dust and ordinary rocks. Back at home the Americans are so broke they have outsourced their limited space lifts to a South African Immigrant, as well as other nations.

England carried on for a while after the collapse of it's once great empire, it still manufactured, drilled oil, but the writing was on the wall. Now it's people are poorer than the Spanish they supplanted! There are protests happening, millions are turning out to push back against the immigration waves but what they fail to realize is those immigrants is all that's keeping the nation afloat. They are providing the "Growth" that the rapacious capitalist model demands. A lot of the immigrants don't work, but they still pay taxes, they still buy capitalist product there. Same in America, same problem, same capitalist solution. Of course it ends in absolute tragedy just as it did for the Roman empire, but that doesn't matter to the Big Pig men. They will simply move off to exploit greener pastures, other nations that will accept their credit and put their slaves to work in new enterprises.

These big economies are like oil tankers at sea, you cut the power but it takes a long time for them to slow down and stop. There is still a lot of wealth in America to be exploited, generational wealth, not everyone is dirt poor. But the boomers, if they played their cars right, still hold a lot of money as do many Xers. That has to be extracted too, along with the forests and whatever's left in the mines. The infrastructure is collapsing, the roads and bridges and electricity grids, but that's ok, those won't be needed in the future. They are far too expensive for a national government to even contemplate rebuilding, especially one paying a trillion a year in interest on loans and even more on social security. SNAP alone is 100 billion.

Modern cars and trucks now turn into junk in 10 years and require replacement. Any average person of moderate means, with half a brain, would go out and buy a used model from a couple of decades ago, a proven performer, and then spent 10 or 15 grand to have it rebuilt as new. New motor, transmission, springs and shocks, all that. Then they would have a car that would last them a couple of decades, and still have paid less. But guess what? The cheap interest deals aren't applicable to those. You'd need to pony up the cash to be in front basically.

Used Battcars at 10 years are worthless. There is no satisfaction if you go down that route, just money wasted on a car you have to charge in your own garage, off your own roof when the suns shining. How much do you think Musk is going to invest in chargers now sales have Crashed? How much are other players going to charge you? Gasoline is probably cheaper given the recent hikes in electricity prices. Battcars were a toy for city dwellers, never a serious replacement for reliable transport.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Tue 16 Sep 2025, 08:25:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')here is an old saying, would you rather fall the sidewalk into the street, or from the 7th floor.

Is that really a saying? Sounds pretty simplistic...maybe it is just a saying from the kind of people that can't build shit, can't throw off their shackles of Monarchy, can't be trusted with firearms, and wouldn't be able to defend themselves in a snowball fight let alone one using real military type weapons. Which they can't build either.

How about we IMPROVE the quality of discussion around here and try and think outside the ignorant Aussie box...whattayasay parrot!
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