[Free]

Just read an interesting interview with Kissinger in the print version of the german magazine "Spiegel", it's only a short question about oil, but it is a further indication that the elites know very well about PO and are planning for it, or rather they are planning to grab it.
Well this doesn't come as a surprise of course, if we think about Brzesinski and other influential strategical thinkers, but it just adds to the case that the US see the only solution in securing the resources rather than think about alternatives...

Here is my translation:

Spiegel:
In the middle east it's always also about strategical interests, about oil. You wrote: "The access to resources can become a matter of survival for many nations". And: "It would be an irony of history , when oil would be the modern equivalent to the conflicts about the colonies in the 19th century."
Has the new "Great Game" already begun?

Kissinger:
In a certain regard, yes.
The access to energy nowadays is not a purely economical problem anymore, but a political one as well. As long as resources are limited, and the demand continues to rise, the consuming nations should come to an agreement before the competition leads to serious tensions.

[bobcousins]

Your logic is nonsense. What he said is perfectly true and equally valid even if he has no idea of PO. This studying of tea leaves and projecting your opinion onto them is just stunningly stupid, but is repeated by people like you tirelessly.

The fact that the US intends to go after dwindling resources proves that they don't "know about PO". Why raid an empty store? If they "know about PO", they would say sod it to trying to invade countries half way round the world and inviting terror. If they "know about PO" then they would put their efforts into developing alternative resources. The USA could then become energy independent and with their resources world leaders. They have plenty of room for solar, wind, and the skills to develop nuclear. PO is a long term problem. If you are aware of it, you don't embark on costly short term measures that get you nowhere in the long term.

So the USA grabs all the oil. That means other countries collapse or have to develop alternatives. Then when oil runs out, the USA is left holding an empty barrel, and then has to play catch up, or is world leader of a global collapse. The USA runs out shortly after everyone else does. Great! For anyone smart enough to understand PO, this is just a f**ked up strategy.

The fact is that the US leaders do not get PO, and are acting as though they don't.

[stu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', '
')The fact that the US intends to go after dwindling resources proves that they don't "know about PO.

[eastbay]

If these guys, Kissinger and Bush and the rest of these skanks, were onboard with PO they would be promoting positive action to mitigate the adverse near-term effects such as a reduced national speed limit and much higher gas taxes, to mention a few quick examples.

Instead they talk only about 'pump more oil', and 'find more oil' and as a result we read of GM introducing re-designed SUV's for 2006. It's unreal how out of touch they are.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')f these guys, Kissinger and Bush and the rest of these skanks, were onboard with PO they would be promoting positive action to mitigate the adverse near-term effects such as a reduced national speed limit and much higher gas taxes, to mention a few quick examples.

Instead they talk only about 'pump more oil', and 'find more oil' and as a result we read of GM introducing re-designed SUV's for 2006. It's unreal how out of touch they are.

[elroy]

They wouldn't want the sheeple to know, to prevent panic and all the nasty side effects. Meanwhile they're planning their things and maintaining the status quo or else cementing their position.

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'Y')our logic is nonsense. What he said is perfectly true and equally valid even if he has no idea of PO. This studying of tea leaves and projecting your opinion onto them is just stunningly stupid, but is repeated by people like you tirelessly.

The fact that the US intends to go after dwindling resources proves that they don't "know about PO". Why raid an empty store? If they "know about PO", they would say sod it to trying to invade countries half way round the world and inviting terror. If they "know about PO" then they would put their efforts into developing alternative resources. The USA could then become energy independent and with their resources world leaders. They have plenty of room for solar, wind, and the skills to develop nuclear. PO is a long term problem. If you are aware of it, you don't embark on costly short term measures that get you nowhere in the long term.

So the USA grabs all the oil. That means other countries collapse or have to develop alternatives. Then when oil runs out, the USA is left holding an empty barrel, and then has to play catch up, or is world leader of a global collapse. The USA runs out shortly after everyone else does. Great! For anyone smart enough to understand PO, this is just a f**ked up strategy.

The fact is that the US leaders do not get PO, and are acting as though they don't.

[Jake_old]

Although a disturbing tactic, there is every reason for the US to go for Middle East oil due to peak.

Whoever controls the flow of energy/resources controls the flow of trade and money. Control 60% of the worlds oil reserves and you can control and predict the future prosperity of all other nations with some degree of accuracy.

Thats why the US don't like Chavez or any other leader who may do deals for oil with countrys who could eventually challenge Americas dominance, especially if those deals are not won for the sake of profit, but security.

I agree that alternative ways of life should be found, for all of us in the developed world. That would errode the power of the corporate elite, so its obvious why it is not being done.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')f these guys, Kissinger and Bush and the rest of these skanks, were onboard with PO they would be promoting positive action to mitigate the adverse near-term effects such as a reduced national speed limit and much higher gas taxes, to mention a few quick examples.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')f these guys, Kissinger and Bush and the rest of these skanks, were onboard with PO they would be promoting positive action to mitigate the adverse near-term effects such as a reduced national speed limit and much higher gas taxes, to mention a few quick examples.

[stu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')f these guys, Kissinger and Bush and the rest of these skanks, were onboard with PO they would be promoting positive action to mitigate the adverse near-term effects such as a reduced national speed limit and much higher gas taxes, to mention a few quick examples.

[MagnoliaFan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I')f these guys, Kissinger and Bush and the rest of these skanks, were onboard with PO they would be promoting positive action to mitigate the adverse near-term effects such as a reduced national speed limit and much higher gas taxes, to mention a few quick examples.

[CrudeAwakening]

I'm damn sure Cheney knows about PO.

Here's a quote from him back in 1999:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity.... For the world as a whole, oil companies are expected to keep finding and developing enough oil to offset our seventy one million plus barrel a day of oil depletion, but also to meet new demand. By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from?"

[eastbay]

Yeah, it's obvious that the plans these thugs have don't include mitigating the harsh economic and social effects of the initial stages of PO, except for themselves.

I should have been clearer earlier. By stating he isn't 'onboard with PO' I meant, 'not onboard with (mitigating the economic and social damage that will be caused by) PO'. In fact, since they (Kissinger, Bush, Cheney and their fellow thugs) obviously know about peak oil their lack of corrective action is a crime against humanity far, far worse than mere trenches full of bodies.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')I should have been clearer earlier. By stating he isn't 'onboard with PO' I meant, 'not onboard with (mitigating the economic and social damage that will be caused by) PO'. In fact, since they (Kissinger, Bush, Cheney and their fellow thugs) obviously know about peak oil their lack of corrective action is a crime against humanity far, far worse than mere trenches full of bodies.

[pilferage]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'K')issinger:
In a certain regard, yes.
The access to energy nowadays is not a purely economical problem anymore, but a political one as well. As long as resources are limited, and the demand continues to rise, the consuming nations should come to an agreement before the competition leads to serious tensions.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'J')ust read an interesting interview with Kissinger in the print version of the german magazine "Spiegel", it's only a short question about oil, but it is a further indication that the elites know very well about PO and are planning for it, or rather they are planning to grab it.