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Unread postby RobintheDruid » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 06:33:42

A couple of us in Glastonbury, namely reggieUK and myself, are already making these connections. Everywhere you look, a lot of the major political and military decisions being taken may well have PO connections. The thing is though, they're scrabbling around in the hope they can put it off, which is ridiculous. Far better to start implementing the stuff we'll need to survive post PO.

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Unread postby rowante » Wed 20 Apr 2005, 07:39:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')verywhere you look, a lot of the major political and military decisions being taken may well have PO connections. The thing is though, they're scrabbling around in the hope they can put it off, which is ridiculous


The human mind is a brilliant pattern recognition tool. So brilliant it can often pick up shapes and faces where none truly exist. This should always be kept in mind when formulating hypotheses or 'connecting the dots' (like Ruppert).

Without substantial proof why should people believe? Hence, the Sept. 11 cliche: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Personally, I think that Ruppert has done a great disservice to the American people by creating such a lot of noise with little to back it up with. It will make it that much harder to truly get to the bottom of the tragedy. New evidence will be dismissed as more 'whacked conspiracy theories'.

However, I do not place any trust in the current U.S government. They have proved to be complete and utter liars. So what's new?
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Unread postby RobintheDruid » Thu 21 Apr 2005, 07:02:43

Rowante, I think you're right about Ruppert, its a shame that some people throw a lot of assumptions into complicated situations like 9/11. I'm sort of aware that Jim Garrisson did the same thing over the Kennedy Assassination. At first, alerted by the Oliver Stone movie, I was really into Garrisson's evidence, and still am, some of it, but then I discovered more serious works on the Kennedy thing, that really went into it, and those authors (I forget their names) lamblasted Garrisson for screwing up what could have been a thorough and extensive investigation. I seem to remember saying that Garrisson rushed it, and messed up as a result.

This is the problem with conspiracy theorists, they're in love with conspiracy theories, with creating sensationalism, rather than finding out the truth.

When is the US government going to release the files on Kennedy by the way?
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Unread postby PhilBiker » Thu 21 Apr 2005, 08:57:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen is the US government going to release the files on Kennedy by the way?
They have done so many times.
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Unread postby RobintheDruid » Thu 21 Apr 2005, 09:25:16

Ah, in that case, I've fallen into a classic conspiracy theory trap then. I was under the impression that there was still loads more stuff they were supressing, like witness statements about smoke from the grassy knoll etc

Hey, how did I get onto this? Cancel the conspiracy stuff and lets get back to oil
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Unread postby ascension » Fri 20 May 2005, 00:22:10

Well ... this is my first post! Woo hoo!

I know the next couple weeks will be full of shock. I'm already finding myself read a post, stop & think, read some more, stop & think again (for a longer time than the last) ... repeat process over & over.

Glad to see and read from some really interesting people.
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Unread postby Ebyss » Fri 20 May 2005, 09:30:50

Welcome to Peak Oil Ascension :-D
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Unread postby AdamB » Sat 23 Aug 2025, 10:56:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 't')his is a good thread. call me crazy, but i totally agree with rupports theory about 911.

INDEED! Ruppert...SHEER GENIUS!!! Lie about stuff, make stuff up (did you know he was NEVER a police detective?), chase women around the office in his underwear until they sued and then he fled the country to not be embarassed....an apparently ethically compromised individual but SHEER GENIUS when it came to 911.

Did you know he used a convicted child molestor as one of his "inside sources" on 911? The guy is serving like 200+ years in Colorado prisons for what he did to children. I wonder how much him and Ruppert hung out together? Sort of like being one of Epstein's "friends", you become an instant suspect. Plus with Ruppert's dancing in his underwear for female employees routine....you gotta wonder.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '
')---- the US government knew about peak oil along time ago and needed a fake terror attack to get the american people on board.


So, to be clear, when David White of the USGS (Dept of Interior) proclaimed that the US would soon run low on oil in 1919.....this CAUSED the Towers to be attacked by a mostly Saudi crew of true believers (like peak oilers..makes one wonder)......why knew this peak oil thing BEFORE THE TOWERS were built? Weird.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aramageddon', '
').... it makes perfect sense.


Well....maybe for suckers who don't know that the USGS was talking peak oil in 1919, or that whales are evidence of evolution being wrong, or like the idea of child molestors being secret sources of information....or liars like Ruppert pretending to be police detectives.

You don't have to be a detective to figure things out Armie....you just need to ask some questions and learn to think.
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Unread postby AdamB » Mon 01 Sep 2025, 10:20:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'i') think people are also failing to recognize the snow ball effect theory. when the economy declines from the raising cost of energy, things will collapse quickly. this entire economy is based on people borrowing the bankers money.

Certainly America borrows money. Apparently your highly technical and well researched "snowball theory" is still waiting for an academic to discover it, apply it, and then THEY can declare the end of the world like you still are today.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '
') we on on the brink of a total economic collapse, and it wont take very long for it to happen. by q4 watch we will see the beginning of it.


SO Armie...Q4.....IN WHICH DECADE WAS THIS YOU ARE REFERRING TO?

And to hell with defining "collapse", can you define "on the brink" for us? Is that like....next quarter q4? Or.....more applicable, NEXT QUARTER CENTURY?
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Re: Learning about Peak Oil

Unread postby AgentR11 » Mon 01 Sep 2025, 17:38:28

Nothing the US economy does can be expected to be quick. Too much inertia, to much grain, plenty of energy, oil and coal and gas; mediocre but acceptable infrastructure. The trains usually make it safely to the end of their lines. OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised to end up in a period where ROI < COLA for an extended interval. That would be bad. Wouldn't be collapse. But it would hurt a lot of people.
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Unread postby AdamB » Mon 01 Sep 2025, 22:40:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'N')othing the US economy does can be expected to be quick. Too much inertia, to much grain, plenty of energy, oil and coal and gas; mediocre but acceptable infrastructure.

Too logical and well thought out Agent. Reasonable explanation. Works for me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', '
') The trains usually make it safely to the end of their lines. OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised to end up in a period where ROI < COLA for an extended interval. That would be bad. Wouldn't be collapse. But it would hurt a lot of people.


So will increasing food prices because some idiot felon decided to run off all the cheap labor, something about them not being the right color and all. Wouldn't be collapse. Will hurt a lot of people.
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Re: Learning about Peak Oil

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 02 Sep 2025, 07:56:40

Grain doesn't rely on cheap labor so much as vast mechanization, so everyone's cornflakes will be fine. Its stuff like strawberries and small green things, I'd expect they're going to have some trouble getting them out of the dirt soon.
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 02 Sep 2025, 08:12:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'G')rain doesn't rely on cheap labor so much as vast mechanization, so everyone's cornflakes will be fine.


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Unread postby AdamB » Tue 02 Sep 2025, 13:52:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'G')rain doesn't rely on cheap labor so much as vast mechanization, so everyone's cornflakes will be fine.


True. But there are plenty of other things that do. Have you had a landscaper do any work on your yard recently. DAMN. Tough time finding the English speakers. But work find some white suburban privileged lad to do the same....they don't exist in my area.
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Re: Learning about Peak Oil

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 03 Sep 2025, 21:05:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' '):roll:


Such a logical statement to have a discussion around. You want to tell me the last time you had a large combine that you trusted to be operated by someone who makes $40/day? Didn't happen? No? Can't imagine why.

Grain is the key to food calories. Its everything.
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Unread postby AdamB » Tue 16 Dec 2025, 15:27:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 't')his is a good thread. call me crazy, but i totally agree with rupports theory about 911. the US government knew about peak oil along time ago and needed a fake terror attack to get the american people on board. it makes perfect sense. if you read and study all the different things going on and around the time of 911, its totally obvious. i love the video of wtc 7 emploding. the twin towers emploded also. the siesmagraphs show activity before the buildings collapsed. oklahoma city bombings , flight 800, 911, the plane that crashed right after 911 in ny, the list goes on and on. the election was also stolen. the exit polls prove that.


Oh GOD why can't we have the REAL Armie back! Pure unadultered nutter and true believer in any horseswill that goes past.

The good old days....when peakers weren't cowering in the corner because someone might notice they were just nutters in disguise the entire time.
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Unread postby AdamB » Tue 16 Dec 2025, 15:32:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'W')elcome aboard.

Matt's "Life After The Oil Crash" is a bit extreme. I recommend reading - start with Kenneth Defeyes who is not so much doom and gloom as many of the other Peakniks.


Good ol' Ken! He certainly wasn't as much doom and gloom...however, he did make a comment in one of those peaker movies so popular before being a peaker became a joke. He lied. He made a specific claim about folks, that most certainly wasn't true. I have been forever disappointed in him since.

But Ken, he is my HERO! I only found out about peak oil the day after Thanksgiving, going into a meeting with the usual gang of national and internationally renowned geologist types and one of them was laughing and giggling with someone else. I asked what the joke was, and he said "Its the day after Thanksgiving. Haven't you heard? Yesterday was peak oil...and when I came to work today all the gas stations were still selling gas!!" and then he'd start yucking it up again.

I went to the internet after that meeting and looked up peak oil. The rest is history.
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Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 16 Dec 2025, 20:36:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'G')rain doesn't rely on cheap labor so much as vast mechanization, so everyone's cornflakes will be fine.

You idiot! Where do you think the water comes from to grow it, the Ogallala Aquifer that's where.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Ogallala Aquifer is one of the world's largest freshwater aquifers. A massive underground water source beneath the U.S. Great Plains, crucial for irrigating the "breadbasket" of America.

The Ogallala Aquifer is depleting at a prodigious rate. This vast underground freshwater source, primarily for agriculture, is being drawn down up to 50x faster than it is naturally recharged


And then of course there is all the fossil fuel fertilizer, pesticides and herbicides that made it the bread basket in the first place. You're the quintessential example of a Brian-dead Boomer still living in the 1960's. Head jammed in the TV set, believing every Lie they shovel into your brain.

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Unread postby AdamB » Mon 02 Feb 2026, 19:56:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 't')his is a good thread. call me crazy, but i totally agree with rupports theory about 911. the US government knew about peak oil along time ago and needed a fake terror attack to get the american people on board. it makes perfect sense.


To the science denying, falling for nonsense is probably pretty easy. So now knowing what a crock Ruppert's entire publishing career was, yup....sounds like you are just crazy. Either that or as ignorant as the average science denier. Maybe it isn't that you are a denier, but just so generally ignorant as to what science even IS that without some clearance from your local Missouri priest person (the one who explained to you why God requires you to be a homophobe) you can't think for yourself.

Do you even know any gay people, or just learned to hate them because your local priest said was required because God wants it that way?
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Re: Learning about Peak Oil

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 03 Feb 2026, 09:57:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'G')rain doesn't rely on cheap labor so much as vast mechanization, so everyone's cornflakes will be fine.

You idiot! Where do you think the water comes from to grow it, the Ogallala Aquifer that's where.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Ogallala Aquifer is one of the world's largest freshwater aquifers. A massive underground water source beneath the U.S. Great Plains, crucial for irrigating the "breadbasket" of America.

The Ogallala Aquifer is depleting at a prodigious rate. This vast underground freshwater source, primarily for agriculture, is being drawn down up to 50x faster than it is naturally recharged


And then of course there is all the fossil fuel fertilizer, pesticides and herbicides that made it the bread basket in the first place. You're the quintessential example of a Brian-dead Boomer still living in the 1960's. Head jammed in the TV set, believing every Lie they shovel into your brain.

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I don't have a TV set.

And I'm a few years younger than the Boomer age group.

I do think I can guarantee you this though; we will all here have passed from old age before the grain stops being delivered to the cities. It is likely the most efficient use of oil and oil products of any and all nameable uses. It produces at scales in ways nothing else can. Humans have been growing grain for 10,000 years, only 200 of which have been oil powered; we will not see the end of that.
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