[careinke]

Adam,

Right after I bought ROW-B, our friends in Portland were rear ended and the insurance company totaled their 5 month old car (not electric). So they decided to try out an electric car and leased a hybrid Subaru Outback. They came up to celebrate the Fourth of July weekend with us camping on our property. This gave us an opportunity to check out our cars and compare them.

So far they have not driven it on the ICE engine. They do not have a need to as the nearest charging station is a two minute walk from their residence. Plus being in Portland, the station offers FREE electricity after 5 PM on week days.

The car is very nice, quiet, and snappy. It also has a nice cruise control system, way more advanced than my 2019 Toyota. It even figures out if you are paying attention to the road and will automatically stop if it thinks you are asleep or incapacitated. It also will override your driving to get you back in your lane if you wander out of it.

Unfortunately, it is still a few years behind TESLA for FSD (supervised). So the Subaru does not do trip planning, or adjust for multiple stops along the route. Still, a very nice car, then again having owned a few Subaru's over the years I may just be biased.

The husband did not feel comfortable taking a ride in ROW-B, but she was very interested in a ride. As a side note, she is the first person I certified in Permaculture.

Anyway, she was VERY impressed with Roy-B, as she hates to drive, especially in the city. They are keeping the lease because they invested the extra from the insurance claim, hoping to buy some land in the future.

I did discover in both cars they work better if you do not have sunglasses on or a large brimmed hat so the camera (s) can follow your eyes. Otherwise you have to continually caress the steering wheel to let it know you are paying attention. Can't wait for unsupervised FSD, then this will not be a problem.

Robots will bring PEACE soon.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Robots will bring PEACE soon.

[theluckycountry]

Battery powered cars, what could go wrong...

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'B')attery powered cars, what could go wrong...

[Newfie]

No doubt electric cars can work in urban areas. Provided you have the electric system build out.

Here the nearest GAS station is 20 miles. One way.

[Newfie]

No doubt electric cars can work in urban areas. Provided you have the electric system build out.

Here the nearest GAS station is 20 miles. One way.

We run about 500 miles per day in our 3 day annual migration to here.

I think I am stuck on dino fuel for my life time.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'B')attery powered cars, what could go wrong...

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Robots will bring PEACE soon.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')I'm thinking you are younger than 71?

[theluckycountry]

Massive Rare Earths Elements Deposit Confirmed In Wyoming
https://www.freightwaves.com/news/massi ... in-wyoming

We'll see, so many big promises and then the rug is pulled. Too late for the battery car revolution though, it's done.

[theluckycountry]

I took my e-bike out two nights ago and didn't check the charge before hand (it takes a while to charge up) On the way back it dropped to 2 bars, I geared down a bit to reduce the wind resistance, it was all flat riding basically. Right near home there is a gentle hill and as I began the climb it dropped to one bar. I was wondering if it'd cutoff on me but I home ok. I could have pedaled it though, not an option with a battery car of course. I have a feeling I've posted this before? Well it's happened before as I've extended my riding range and taken different routes.

The problem is energy density and weight. Kg for Kg Gasoline holds vastly more energy than batteries and in a much smaller volume as far as range. It's what makes battery powered cars such clunkers. Super heavy with crap range. I don't know how the EVidiots put up with them? A psychiatrist could probably answer why.

[theluckycountry]

Here is a good representation of one aspect of battery car uptake
Diffusion of Innovations by, Everett M. Rogers, shows the curve of adoption for new technologies. When the first edition of Diffusion of Innovations was published in 1962, Rogers was an assistant professor of rural sociology at Ohio State University.




The "chasm" in Diffusion of Innovations refers to a significant gap in the adoption of new products or technologies, specifically between the early adopters and the early majority. This gap represents a critical point where many innovations fail to gain widespread acceptance, potentially leading to the failure of the innovation. Look at it! About 13%. The battery powered car never made it anywhere near that before it all rolled over. That's a 13% Adoption rate btw, not 13% sales by type, year over year
Rogers suffered from kidney disease and died in 2004. If he hadn't I bet he'd have had a lot to say about the "Revolution"
Trust the science folks, trust the proven science.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'M')assive Rare Earths Elements Deposit Confirmed In Wyoming

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')Kg for Kg Gasoline holds vastly more energy than batteries and in a much smaller volume as far as range. It's what makes battery powered cars such clunkers.

[theluckycountry]

And don't forget, that "Diffusion of Innovation" Curve above must be rewritten so to speak when the technology stalls and falls away at the Chasm. Then the innovators become the fools and the early adopters the greater fools because the writing was on the wall but they ignored it. The early majority then becomes the gullible that dodged a bullet. You can apply that to the Segway buyers, not to say that the Segway wasn't a fun toy, a very expensive fun toy, but the ethos was built on a series of delusions that had the innovators believing it would be the future of inner-urban transport. That it was destined to replace the car (once government got it's act together and banned cars on inner urban transport corridors). Of course the majority of people never believed that, just as the vast majority of people in the US and Australia don't think the battery car is the future.

Once people began to get on these Segways this delusional chatter really took off and they were talking about bigger batteries and longer trips across the outer burbs. Even the President did a publicity stunt on one. But get it in CONTEXT, the Segway was released in 2001. Who was chatting on the internet back then? Net-Innovators mostly, on the news groups. I had been using computers, at home, since 1994 odd but I didn't go online until 2004, and that was crappy dial-up. What does this imply? That a lot of the chatter we now see about the rechargeable battery car simply didn't exist online for the Segway, because people weren't online. You get a few hundred thousand fanboi online today and before you know it millions are popping in to have their say. I have read many posts on the battery car subs and forums and there was always a lot of people who talked positively but didn't own one. They were still watching events I suspect, waiting for the big nationwide rollout of recharging stations perhaps? Or perhaps they simply couldn't afford one.

I remember kub singing the praises of the BattCar but he never claimed to own one. Very few people here in fact have claimed to own one and I think that's due to the high average intelligence of the forum participants. A lot of people may say, "yes I'd like to own one one day" but that means nothing. I've been saying that about power boats all my life but know I'll never own one because it would rot in the carport. If I lived down by the Northern Rivers or on the shore of Morton bay that would be another matter. But the battery car? Never! It's proven itself to be a money pit, a 10 year throwaway and a regular pain in the arse to use in the meanwhile. I know a guy with a Tesla. $80,000 and he had to install two, TWO, tesla powerwalls just to ensure it could be recharged overnight. That's an extra $24,000 aussie, and the fast charger, and the dedicated shed to put it all in, in case it blows up. And in ten years It's all for the bin. How was it paid for? Home loan extension. Idiot!

Since the demise of the Segway the scooter has come, and gone, as a touted method of inner urban transport with many companies setting up to hire them out and many (young people) jumping on the bandwagon to tool around on them. I imagine they are a lot of fun too, for agile people who don't own a car or motorcycle. Shiftless drifter types, who may well have jobs but move around from sharehouse to sharehouse with no fixed roots and little in the way of possessions. You'd be surprised how well that defines many 16~22 year olds, the bulk of the users, off to a party on one on a Friday night. The BattCar has a similar fanbase, good luck to them, the rest of us will stick with the simple life of getting cheaply from A to B without stress.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Since the demise of the Segway the scooter has come, and gone, as a touted method of inner urban transport with many companies setting up to hire them out and many (young people) jumping on the bandwagon to tool around on them. I imagine they are a lot of fun too, for agile people who don't own a car or motorcycle.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')I was surprised to see a Toyota Sticker under the hood of the Subaru. When I looked into it, both companies own significant stock in each other. They are trying to catch TESLA in self driving tech. Unfortunately, they are about 5 years behind and losing ground.
Peace

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')I would certainly be interested in knowing who those supposedly self driving car folks who are doing much better than Tesla. Based on what?

[theluckycountry]

Battcar makers supplying Australia take another couple of inches up the tailpipe.

Polestar lashes carmaker lobby for ‘unfounded’ attack on EV standards
What's the matter didums, the truth finally coming out and your not happy about it

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he local managing director of Chinese-backed carmaker Polestar says major brands and the industry’s prominent lobby group have stifled the uptake of electric vehicles with “unnecessary and unfounded” criticism of fuel efficiency standards, creating fear among motorists. Under Labor’s proposed vehicle emissions standards, carmakers will be fined up to $100 for every gram of carbon that exceeds an average fleet-wide emissions target for each new vehicle sold. Those targets become steeper until 2029, and brands that don’t breach the thresholds can sell credits, an arrangement that will favour electric vehicle producers like Polestar.

The scheme became an election issue earlier this year after the Coalition pledged to scrap the standards and said they were a tax on families. The FCAI, which represents major car brands like Toyota, Ford and Mazda, has maintained that standards will lead to higher prices for consumers. Some carmakers have also been outspoken in their criticism of the scheme, although they have stopped short of calling for them to be scrapped entirely.

Ahead of the May election, Mitsubishi Motors Australia chief executive Shaun Westcott told The Australian that there was a “gap between ambition and what is currently practically out there at the moment and there needs to be some reconciliation and consideration given to that gap”.

“You can take a horse to water, but we cannot force people to buy these cars,” he said.

[theluckycountry]

It''s not a funny meme, see for yourself

It's Cheaper To Charge An EV w/ A Diesel Generator Than Public DC Fast Charging!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jke8PnKHBik

Entrepreneur sets up a business by hiring a Diesel Generator and selling power to stranded Battcar owners.