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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 13:59:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Kiwi Pension Fund Loses $50 Million in Ogin Ducted Turbine Fiasco
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')017- Ogin’s design arrived in a blaze of high-powered hype across the tech press in 2008. DOE’s Arpa, and MIT’s Technology Review swooned over what was, once again, supposed to be breathtaking new technology. Backed by big name venture capital company Kleiner Perkins, FloDesign-Ogin raised untold millions to develop a ducted wind turbine, including investments from New Zealand and Alberta sovereign wealth funds.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 16 Jun 2025, 21:19:23

Some people just can't read the memo. They assume that because the TV has pushed renewables and EV for a decade that is was set in stone but they missed the obvious fact. In our modern world everything is marketing, everything is BS and everything is designed to move money from the pockets of the little people up into the pockets of the wealthy. Renewables were a good example of this, hundreds of billions, trillions probably, invested in the companies making and installing the garbage, only to be collapsing now and taking all that capital with them.

Here is the new memo, it's been stuck on your desk for a while now

Support for renewables shrinks as fossil fuel interest grows

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he survey of 5,085 U.S. adults taken April 28 to May 4 revealed that while 79% of Americans favored expanding wind and solar production in 2020, that number has dropped to 60%. And 39% of Americans today support expansion of oil, coal and natural gas — almost double the 20% that supported it in 2020.
https://floodlightnews.org/support-for- ... est-grows/

Their minds are changing because they were told to change, politics and climate have little to do with it because Money runs the planet. When everyone believed in the EV it was because TV told everyone to believe, but for the last year TV has been increasingly negative toward the EV. I say TV but of course I include all mass media, it's just that the TV is the most powerful, is the most trusted and has the greatest saturation into the minds of the masses. They don't report truth, they report what their sponsors and owners want you to believe and at the end of the day it all comes down to you spending or investing money into the schemes they advertise.

Rebuildables were never going to power the world just like EV was never going to replace the Gas powered car. It was just a vast pyramid scheme where Green believers tried to proselytize everyone they spoke to into joining in their bad decisions. That's how a pyramid scheme works, by sucking in all your family and friends. Once the scheme has reached critical mass it collapses and the founders run off with all the gains. That's what happening here. The EV companies are going broke as are the all the home solar companies and all the bigger alternate schemes. And the founders are walking away rich.

Faithful pyramid scheme participants are still out there buying crap EV and promoting alternate energy as though the marketing still holds true, but the world has left them behind. The age old bubble investment analysis says it all. People go mad in crowds, but they regain their sanity slowly, one by one. What was the EV and Alternate power but a dream. A massive government subsidized bubble. A dream bubble, but we're still firmly in the 20th century schema, burning oil and coal, even to make the techno dream.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 16 Jun 2025, 21:32:05

1954 was a good year for delusions. All based on the power of the atom.

A quote from Lewis L. Strauss appointed Chairman of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission in 1953 by President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') “Transmutation of the elements, — unlimited power, ability to investigate the working of living cells by tracer atoms, the secret of photosynthesis about to be uncovered, — these and a host of other results all in 15 short years. It is not too much to expect that our children will enjoy in their homes electrical energy too cheap to meter — will know of great periodic regional famines in the world only as matters of history,— will travel effort­lessly over the seas and under them and through the air with a minimum of danger and at great speeds, — and will experience a lifespan far longer than ours, as disease yields and man comes to understand what causes him to age.”

https://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2024/08 ... -misquote/

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 16 Jun 2025, 22:09:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he survey of 5,085 U.S. adults taken April 28 to May 4 revealed that while 79% of Americans favored expanding wind and solar production in 2020, that number has dropped to 60%. And 39% of Americans today support expansion of oil, coal and natural gas — almost double the 20% that supported it in 2020.
https://floodlightnews.org/support-for- ... est-grows/

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 17 Jun 2025, 16:14:50

Interesting little datapoint to get a feel for scale. As of the time I'm writing this, the ERCOT (Texas) grid is running at 45% solar+wind.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 17 Jun 2025, 19:12:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'I')nteresting little datapoint to get a feel for scale. As of the time I'm writing this, the ERCOT (Texas) grid is running at 45% solar+wind.

A sunny windy day eh. Yes they work, no doubt about it, but they are made in China by burning coal, and they have a limited lifespan, 20 years roughly, and then need to rebuilt all over again. Do they pay for themselves? In $$$ most likely at the prices they charge for power now, but not in energy terms, not in coal and oil btu used to manufacture them. They are a nod to greenies and will work as long as we have coal to make them.

I'm talking wind here, I'm talking the vast amounts of coal used making cement for the Huge subterranean bases and in the steel for such and for the towers, then the actual generator.

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 17 Jun 2025, 19:24:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')olar and renewable energy stocks crashed in premarket trading after Senate Republicans unveiled a draft of a bill that would end wind and solar tax credits by 2028, while providing incentives for other energy sources like nuclear, hydropower, and geothermal (which would extend to 2036).

According to Reuters, the draft tax bill released by Senate... proposes an accelerated phaseout of clean energy subsidies established under the Biden-Harris regime's 2022 Inflation Reduction Act. Specifically, the legislation would significantly dial back solar and wind tax credits to 60% of their original value starting in 2026, with complete elimination by 2028. Under current law, these credits are scheduled to begin phasing out in 2032, meaning the proposal would effectively shorten the incentive window.

Biden-Harris regime, lol they got that right.

Let's hear from Scientific American magazine.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')LIMATEWIRE | Renewable energy doesn't need subsidies to compete with fossil fuels when it comes to building new power plants. That's a key takeaway in Lazard's annual report on electricity generation costs. The investment bank's report measures the levelized cost of energy for various forms of electricity generation.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... el-plants/

Lazard
It is the world's largest independent investment bank, with principal executive offices in New York City, Paris and London...$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Lazard has a significant presence in the solar investment landscape through its asset management arm, particularly its Sustainable Private Infrastructure (SPI) strategy. They invest in companies focused on renewable energy solutions and have a strong interest in the growth of solar energy


:lol: They are making Billions off of the alternate energy gravy train and I am supposed to believe their analysis of it's viability without subsidies is accurate? Just follow the money folks, follow the money.

Lazard at work
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 20 Jun 2025, 21:17:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
') :lol: They are making Billions off of the alternate energy gravy train and I here I can't find the gold I buried in my back yard! I wish I was smart enough to have graduated high school, then maybe I could know things like others and not be so ignorant all the time...

Lazard at work
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Sat 21 Jun 2025, 22:49:03

Forty percent of electrical power on a grid is used for transmission purposes, wasted energy. This can be substantially reduced by combining a decentralize power web with present systems. Eventually the old system will be replaced and everything will be decentralized. In the end, the sun powers everything at least in this solar system.

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Unread postby AdamB » Sun 22 Jun 2025, 10:00:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'F')orty percent of electrical power on a grid is used for transmission purposes, wasted energy.


Not "wasted" so much as obeying the basic laws of thermodynamics. It is like saying the food you put in your body is "wasted" because it is only used by you to keep breathing and walking around. That food isn't "wasted", it is just how a biological system works, it is a REQUIREMENT of that system. A system can get more efficient in its use of REQUIRED inputs, but the laws of thermodynamics say it can never be without a cost of some sort to the gods of physics.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')This can be substantially reduced by combining a decentralize power web with present systems. Eventually the old system will be replaced and everything will be decentralized. In the end, the sun powers everything at least in this solar system.

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And the Sun itself is pouring out 3.846 x 10^26 joules per second to power everything in the Solar System. This "wastes" 4.7 MILLION TONS PER SECOND of mass per second to create this energy, or alternatively, it wastes the difference between the theoretical energy that mass should put out minus the loss in the conversion itself. So....what is your argument about wasted energy and BTC? You and I as humans are "wastes" of energy as we follow these same rules, certainly the process for making paper currency is a waste of energy, as is energy transmission itself between people trading BTC on their phones or whatever. BTC is just...."money"...to some folks....and an investment(?) in the market place. I don't have to use BTC for it to be real, that only requires you, and someone else like you, to agree on its value. One BTC for a duck, or whatever. Its value compared to fiat currency can change as fast as a stock price can, in either direction. And does on occasion. Works great when it goes the way you'd like it, not so much when the opposite happens.

It seems no different at the practical level then me trading you X shares of stock for a car, or me trading you X shares of stock for Y shares of another stock, or whatever. Both of us making bets on the underlying value. And the value of these stocks having the potential to bounce around unrelated to what underpins them in the marketplace, which is in the case of a stock the things a company owns and does. Versus BTC...which is underpinned by nothing of tangible value (buildings, CIB, equipment, property, etc etc) other than people perceiving it has value. It is a wildly interesting idea, and has made a bunch of people quite rich, and it is underpinned by only its perceived value. The more people who buy in the better I suppose?
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 23 Jun 2025, 19:25:08

New York is rapidly expanding its wind power capacity, with a focus on both onshore and offshore development (now dead in the water, literally). The state aims to generate 9,000 megawatts of offshore wind power by 2035, enough to power an estimated 6 million homes, and achieve 70% of its electricity from renewable sources by 2030.
Big promises.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Power Blackout Hits Parts Of Queens, NYC: Con Edison Urges Energy Conservation As Temps Spike
Con Edison blamed the blackout on the "heat wave affecting the region" and asked customers "to conserve energy while crews repair equipment."
The latest data from the power tracking website Power Outage shows 8,830 outages across Queens.

The cause of the blackout has yet to be revealed by the utility. Still, the grid operator PJM Interconnection, the operator of the largest U.S. power grid serving 65 million people across 13 states and D.C., issued a "Maximum Generation Alert" for Monday, ordering all available power generation to run at full capacity to ensure power demand is met early this week amid rapidly tightening conditions.
https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/power ... emps-spike

So it isn't a storm or a truck running into a substation, it's pure and simple a lack of power to the grid, probably because the wind dropped off. That happens in heatwaves when you're sitting under a massive High pressure system. "Maximum Generation Alert"

The cause of the blackout has yet to be revealed by the utility


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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 23 Jun 2025, 19:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')The cause of the blackout has yet to be revealed by the utility. Still, the grid operator PJM Interconnection, the operator of the largest U.S. power grid serving 65 million people across 13 states and D.C., issued a "Maximum Generation Alert" for Monday, ordering all available power generation to run at full capacity to ensure power demand is met early this week amid rapidly tightening conditions.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 23 Jun 2025, 19:44:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')oulder, Colorado, is actively pursuing a transition to 100% renewable electricity by 2030. The city has already achieved 105 MW of local renewable generation, exceeding its initial 2030 goal of 100 MW.

So you'll be next adam :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 23 Jun 2025, 19:54:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')oulder City receives most of its power from renewable hydroelectric sources (Hoover Dam and Glen Canyon Dam on Lake Powell).


Hydro is sketchy too now the climate has changed, those big dams you depend on are failing.

Colorado River Basin in Crisis
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hrinking Snowpack and Reservoirs Threaten Water Supply
As of mid-May 2025, a water crisis is tightening its grip on the Colorado River Basin, raising serious concerns for millions of residents, farmers, and ecosystems across the American West.

The snowpack—the critical natural reservoir that feeds the river each spring—is alarmingly low, and the region’s most vital reservoirs are continuing to shrink. Scientists, officials, and water managers are sounding the alarm: if conditions don’t improve soon, tough decisions and even tougher consequences could follow.
https://www.thedriller.com/articles/934 ... -in-crisis

You see adam, you're ROOTED every which way :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go on, post a parrot or a kangaroo, you're typical response to an inconvenient FACT.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hrinking Snowpack and Reservoirs Threaten Water Supply
https://www.thedriller.com/articles/934 ... -in-crisis

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Jun 2025, 02:26:56

What goes up must come down as they say. All due to fertilizer diesel and highways.

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But why such a big population in Colorado before then?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')olorado experienced a significant population boom in the early 1900s, primarily fueled by mining and, surprisingly, the influx of tuberculosis patients seeking a cure. The state's population nearly doubled between 1900 and 1920, with the urban population more than doubling in some areas like northeastern Colorado

Mining? Yes, Gold! and then coal.
So it's populated by the descendants of GoldBugs and... Lungers.

Civilizations have a nasty habit of collapsing and when they do the cities run out of food real fast. This is because of reduced political cohesion leading to banditry basically. It doesn't matter if you still have Diesel to run the trucks, Venezuela knows this well. The worst hit cities are the remotest ones naturally. Places that shouldn't exist in the first place, and in our era, that would never have existed had it not been for coal and oil. Collapse time frames? Typically 10 years for an empire. First the long decline where political rulers become distrusted and where lawlessness increases, then the crunch, often triggered by a war etc. Mexico is well advanced in this process but it's being propped up by the Empire. Empire's themselves though have no one to prop them up.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')But why such a big population in Colorado before then?
Mining? Yes, Gold! and then coal.
So it's populated by the descendants of GoldBugs and... Lungers.


Better than convicted criminals and mental defectives certainly. But no, while there are certainly some long timers here, most of us are transplants, we collect quite a few outsiders. Weather is nice, outdoor activities abound, flatlanders become acclimated to the altitude and begin laughing at lowlanders like your entire continent.

This past weekend I took a drive to both Devil's Tower and Mt Rushmore just because...I could. The central Rocky Mountain location is good for all sorts of activities, hunting, camping, twisty roads at an altitude where flatlanders can't breath at, natural scenery and so on and so forth. National class sports teams, first class educational system, and views you can't get on your entire island....but are common here for hundreds of miles along the front range.

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 25 Jun 2025, 01:09:48

US energy department plans to scrap wind power funding

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he US Department of Energy (DOE) plans to cut its funding for wind, solar and battery storage projects to zero for its 2026 financial year, a draft of its budget proposals shows.

https://www.windpowermonthly.com/articl ... er-funding

What a dysfunctional schizophrenic political system the US has. One year it's (promising hundreds of billions) and pouring billions into the new-age, and the next it's fully under brakes. But as I've said, all the US government does is facilitate corporate profits and the Wind and EV business was heading out the back door long before trump was sworn in. All he's done is pull the taxpayer funding, to redirect it elsewhere, war probably now. Biden's job was to fool everyone into thinking the dream was practical, Trump's job is it cover the logical collapse under a rug of government actions so no one will actually figure out the collapse was a natural occurrence of poor business models.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he mythology of wind as a clean, renewable panacea has been driven more by ideology than evidence. Manufacturing a single wind turbine requires hundreds of tons of concrete and steel, mined, transported, and forged through carbon-intensive processes. The Danish Environmental Protection Agency notes that emissions from producing one offshore wind turbine often exceed 241 tons of CO2, with most of that emitted before the turbine ever spins. These turbines also contain rare earth metals like neodymium, whose extraction in Chinese mines is linked to radioactive wastewater, deforestation, and toxic tailings that leach into rivers. This is green energy in name only.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/blown-off-co ... 16325.html

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17 hours ago — Forty-four percent of American adults now say that offshore wind should be expanded, down from 59 percent in 2022, the survey found. By: Associated Press.


See the stupidity here? 60% of American adults were once in favor of wind power expansion, based on what? These people have no technical understanding of the industry, all they know is what they have seen on TV. It's so easy to lead the dumb masses astray, just tell the Lies and they lap them up, then regurgitate them on sites like this :roll:

If you'd asked them at the peak of the housing bubble in 2006 what the best investment was they would have said Houses of course :lol: Two years later... 5 years later shale oil no doubt.

The phenomenon of sheep following each other off a cliff, while seemingly bizarre, is often attributed to their strong flocking instinct and the tendency to follow a leader.
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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]US energy department plans to scrap wind power funding

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he US Department of Energy (DOE) plans to cut its funding for wind, solar and battery storage projects to zero for its 2026 financial year, a draft of its budget proposals shows.

https://www.windpowermonthly.com/articl ... er-funding

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Re: THE Wind Power Thread pt 3 (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 25 Jun 2025, 18:51:24

You're wasting your keyboard adam, windpower is dead, is being abandoned by governments and utilities all over the world. What is still ongoing is projects already under construction and contracts being fulfilled. That is contracts the companies can't wriggle out of. One more failed techno dream that adam and kub bought hook line and sinker.

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