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THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged) Pt. 1

Discussions about the economic and financial ramifications of PEAK OIL

Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 08:01:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Platinum prices climbed to their highest level in two years on Friday, driven by a surge in Chinese imports, persistent supply concerns, and increasing investor interest in the metal.

https://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=9235
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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 08:10:00

Down boy down :lol:
You must have been waiting all day for me to come home :P
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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 14:35:41

1 BTC is now equal to 32.535 oz of Gold. Unlucky, how many ounces of gold do you actually hold??

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 14:59:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '1') BTC is now equal to 32.535 oz of Gold. Unlucky, how many ounces of gold do you actually hold??
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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 17:10:34

Beautiful! True wealth, real, solid, immutable.

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Minted in Perth WA from Australian native Platinum.

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 18:44:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'B')eautiful! True wealth, real, solid, immutable.

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It is pretty.

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Hasn't appreciated for squat compared to market tracking funds though. Hey, you want to continue investing in low rate of return stuff, like you want to keep dumping 5X the fuel costs into your cages compared to smart folks, well, it is your wasted opportunity. <shrug>

You can lead a pig to the slop trough, but you can't make them graduate high school.

Just don't presume everyone is that uneducated and wasteful of hard earned money. Of course, in this case, everyone IS, but you can improve yourself if you tried. Maybe.
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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Mon 09 Jun 2025, 20:25:34

I've decided to post this at the beginning of each new Zulu day, mostly because it trolls our troller in Chief. So,
for June 10th 2025:

1 BTC = 33.195 ounces of gold

Oh look, up another .66 ounces of gold since , let's see, 5 hours ago. For the math challenged, that works out to $2,193.84 8O :-D :) :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 10 Jun 2025, 20:05:29

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It's unfashionable these days, actually saving for retirement. Most people prefer to trust faceless men in suits to look after their life savings, or to gamble them on risky things like EV stocks and crypto currencies. Long ago the banks, wall street, and the financial industry in general began a marketing campaign. In essence it said "You are stupid and can't be trusted with your own money, so give it to us and we'll manage it for you." Concomitant with this lie was the concept of inflation and the need for high single digit compounding returns on the money. Because if you didn't have that, your money would be worth a lot less in the future. Well that was half true, certainly the inflation aspect of the claim. But the idea that an investment needed to "earn" interest every year to keep pace only worked if the market was stable or at least was UP at the time you wanted access to your money.

Like between 2000 and 2006?

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That was a time of HIGH inflation, in Food, Houses, Everything except computers basically. What if you wanted to pull out a large chunk from your retirement account to buy a home or pay a medical bill? When the market recovered you'd be down that amount, assets sold at a discount, and you're retirement account is now well behind. Silver is actually a solid investment though still volatile over longer time-frames. Gold is much more secure.

Gold over the last 20 Years +$4,549.34 +811.49%

811%/20 = 40% per annum. What stock portfolio has achieved that over the past 2 decades? You don't need compounding returns if your money is achieving that sort of gain year after year. And sure it wasn't 40% every year, some years were quite low and others high, but look at the time-frames for this.

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Inflation was non-existent during much of the 2010's so if you did pull money out you weren't doing so at a loss. Then when inflation took off after 2021 with covid, your savings investment in Gold was keeping pace with it. There is no difference between drawing down a Gold reserve and a pension fund account, both will eventually get depleted. But you don't want to be losing money in a time of inflation. What is the main problem with the Private pension? Parasites basically. Fund managers bleeding your account, greedy corporate owners faking data like the EV complex, like the Rebuildable complex. Offering a home for your retirement savings that cannot hope to deliver the returns promised. It was a setup from the get-go. Just another way to milk the masses so the rich could get richer. Just ask Elon Musk.

Tesla, a darling stock, is $326 today. It was $280 back at the peak of 2021, then $400 later in that same year. Unless your pension fund had bought it long before that the investment has gone nowhere really. Musk knew the score, he sold out billions worth right near the top at $430, after all the little people put their savings into it. Search average returns on an IRA over the past 5 years and you'll get investment twaddle claiming an average or 5~10% is possible with certain... But look for specific examples and you find horror stories.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have a Roth IRA that has not grown hardly a penny in two years. What do I need to do to make it grow besides putting more of my own money?
https://www.quora.com/I-have-a-Roth-IRA ... -own-money

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y Roth IRA has barely increased in value since opening it almost 3.5 years ago. Am I doing something wrong? (2 years ago)
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinanc ... lue_since/

Here is a horror story!
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ct 2022 I am 66 and my pension fund has plunged, wiping out almost all gains over the past eight years - how can I recover my losses?
...I have spoken to the pension scheme on a number of occasions but I have been so disappointed with their response times (despite promising to get back to me with answers two people have not replied) I have now raised a formal complaint. I have rearranged some of my finances and have deferred taking my pension until my 70th birthday in 2026 in the hope that the fund may recover some of its losses.
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pen ... t-age.html

I'm sure many people are suffering similar complaints
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '2')025 Why has my pension pot gone down in value?
https://www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/blog/ ... n-in-value

Bottom line. Money in a digital account isn't yours, even though you put it there. It's for others to play with, to feather their own nests with.
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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Tue 10 Jun 2025, 20:59:00

1BTC = 33.207 Ounces of gold. A little bit higher than yesterday. I don't expect the number to go up every day, just most days. :-D

Our resident troll can't seem to use the current World Reserve Currency, the US dollar. Instead, clings to the Aussie Fiat money. That's OK, no point in changing to the current World's Reserve Fiat Currency, soon it will be real money, BTC.

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 10 Jun 2025, 21:48:16

it's a shame you can't put together a lengthy piece over on the crypto thread inke, but all you have to work with is "Hodl, lambo, to da moon"

Of course you always post up some of this guys wisdom :P

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Wed 11 Jun 2025, 05:44:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'i')t's a shame you can't put together a lengthy piece over on the crypto thread inke, but all you have to work with is "Hodl, lambo, to da moon"

Of course you always post up some of this guys wisdom :P

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Just because you don't understand him, doesn't mean you should represent him as some kind of deity. Oh I forgot, people with an IQ less than 40 points of the presenter frequently do that. Sort of like the the cargo cult.

I put the the BTC vs Gold stats here because it is the Silver and Gold thread. You keep screeching I'm wrong, but refuse to accept a little wager or even acknowledge the wager. I think you are scared I'm right.

As far as trying to convince you on the BTC thread what's the point? I really no longer waste my time on you Poor Luck, if you can't understand it after at least 11 years of me explaining it to you, you will never get it. I am amused to watch you make the "Death of BTC" prediction dozens of times EACH of those years and ALLWAYS being wrong. Quite frankly, you are my perfect reverse indicator with a 100% success rate. So thank you, for all the money I've made because of your calls. :)

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 11 Jun 2025, 07:10:22

They have begun cutting the SNAP benefits I see, that doesn't effect you does it inke?
It was inevitable really. Why anyone would have thought it could have lasted forever is they mystery.
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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Wed 11 Jun 2025, 14:10:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')hey have begun cutting the SNAP benefits I see, that doesn't effect you does it inke?
It was inevitable really. Why anyone would have thought it could have lasted forever is they mystery.


Are you referring the elimination of NON nutritional items from the SNAP program? Let me remind you SNAP stands for Supplemental NUTRITIONAL Assistance Program, soft drinks, diet drinks, candy etc. are NOT nutritional products, so they were removed. That is NOT a cut, rather, it is just common sense.

Your trolling efforts, get weaker by the day. Why did you put this comment on this thread? Seems there are better options.

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby AgentR11 » Wed 11 Jun 2025, 15:57:46

RE: SNAP
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'T')hat is NOT a cut, rather, it is just common sense.


My only concern is whether it is even possible to purchase sufficient calories for a kid's development, on SNAP, without falling back on "junk" foods. I can't seem to muster up enough interest to really test the proposition and find out though. /shrug

That said, the existence of SNAP isn't the most benign thing anyway, its really meant to be a farm support measure that prevents an economic depression from causing food to fail to reach market. Removing soda and candy from the menu is probably ok, but that same methodology can be used to harm some farmers and advantage others. I don't trust the current occupants of government to proceed in a scientific as opposed to political way.

Oh. Silver and Gold thread.
I have a good chunk of the physical stuff, but considering the mess it makes book keeping wise to convert it from a little bar/coin into a ton of food and water is non-trivial, I wonder if its better to pursue future commodity acquisitions in the form of ETFs. It all stays electronic, no nervous carrying the stuff to a gold merchant, no getting ripped off on price in a time of uncertainty, just click sell, and transfer after settlement.
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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Wed 11 Jun 2025, 18:38:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', 'R')E: SNAP
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'T')hat is NOT a cut, rather, it is just common sense.


My only concern is whether it is even possible to purchase sufficient calories for a kid's development, on SNAP, without falling back on "junk" foods. I can't seem to muster up enough interest to really test the proposition and find out though. /shrug

A large number of people in the US are overweight, especially the poor. Why feed them things that will ensure they also get sick? Good parents do not feed their kids that shit, or at least severely limit their intake. Basically it's poison. I really don't think caloric content is a problem. Nutritional education on the other hand might be. SNAP payments are adjusted for inflation every month

That said, the existence of SNAP isn't the most benign thing anyway, its really meant to be a farm support measure that prevents an economic depression from causing food to fail to reach market. Removing soda and candy from the menu is probably ok, but that same methodology can be used to harm some farmers and advantage others. I don't trust the current occupants of government to proceed in a scientific as opposed to political way.

Although the SNAP Program and the Crop Insurance Program are both under the US Department of Agriculture (USDA), they are distinct entities. Although I have never participated in SNAP, I am acutely aware of Crop Insurance on our Oregon wheat lands. Fortunately our cousins who share crop our land, are very good at this. Especially since we have just entered a draught for the third year in a row. This is probably not the forum to expand on this. I will look for another forum to expand on this.

Oh. Silver and Gold thread.
I have a good chunk of the physical stuff, but considering the mess it makes book keeping wise to convert it from a little bar/coin into a ton of food and water is non-trivial, I wonder if its better to pursue future commodity acquisitions in the form of ETFs. It all stays electronic, no nervous carrying the stuff to a gold merchant, no getting ripped off on price in a time of uncertainty, just click sell, and transfer after settlement.

Most of our gold is also in physical holdings, primarily in jewelry. Keeps my bride of 51 years happy :-D


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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Wed 11 Jun 2025, 21:28:08

Gold did well today. :-D

1BTC = 32.371 ounces of Gold.

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 17:15:39

If inke is right...

AI is Going to Generate a MASSIVE Boom in Hard Assets
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')As I’ve laid out in the last few articles, the AI revolution is moving into its next phase: physical AI. This is the phase in which AI software is integrated with physical hardware (robots, appliances, automobiles, etc.)...
The AI revolution will also create MASSIVE demand for copper, aluminum, tin, steel, silver and slew of other natural resources. A single data center requires 5,000 to 10,000 metric tons of copper for cabling and equipment. An AI-controlled robot can require anywhere from 50-100lbs of copper… and experts are anticipating MILLIONS of robots to hit market by 2030. Indeed, by some estimates, AI could increase copper demand by 15%-20% annually through 2030.
by Phoenix Capital Research https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-06- ... ard-assets

But I can't see it ever taking off to the extremes the marketers are claiming, simply due to resource limits. And besides those, it takes decades to build new nuclear plants, years and years to expand the grid itself. These costs are enormous and for a nation where the people are struggling to pay their power bill and put food on the table now, I just don't see it. What I see is another EV fiasco, another alternate energy bubble, another shale oil and gas scam. Just one more attempt to pump up a stock market bubble and distract the populace for the reality that the oil age is ending and there is nothing to replace it. You want to make an argument that this star trek future will be a reality? Well make sure you push under the rug all the other grand failures we have seen in the past decade and a half.



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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 20:32:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
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AI is Going to Generate a MASSIVE Boom in Hard Assets
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-06- ... ard-assets

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby careinke » Thu 12 Jun 2025, 20:34:46

1BTC = 31.232 ounces of Gold. :)

Not that I'm superstitious, but tomorrow is Friday the 13th and only two days after a full moon. My father, who was a Captain in the Mount Vernon Police department, (and put together the departments first crime tracking database), used to hate those days.

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Re: THE Silver & Gold Thread (merged)

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 02:59:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '1')BTC = 31.232 ounces of Gold. :)

Not that I'm superstitious, but tomorrow is Friday the 13th and only two days after a full moon. My father, who was a Captain in the Mount Vernon Police department, (and put together the departments first crime tracking database), used to hate those days.

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