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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 15 Oct 2021, 17:18:55

P - Exactly. Of course burning fossil fuels has changed the ciimate. I wrote such a paper when I was an undergrad geologist in the early 70's. But the US and global economies demanded it. Just as they still do today. Which is why most politicians push of real change to politicians IN THE FUTURE. They dare not disrupt the "machine" today.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby evilgenius » Sat 16 Oct 2021, 09:12:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'P') - Exactly. Of course burning fossil fuels has changed the ciimate. I wrote such a paper when I was an undergrad geologist in the early 70's. But the US and global economies demanded it. Just as they still do today. Which is why most politicians push of real change to politicians IN THE FUTURE. They dare not disrupt the "machine" today.

Exactly, it's only because Donald Trump can ill afford to go through a bankruptcy now, when he is trying to prove his gravitas for keeping the whole country from going through their own, that we even have to rehash this topic. Oil has to hold up for him. He needs something to fall back on that is simple, and demonizes the opposition. What better than to use this lever which tackles the science issue the GOP has in a unique way. Oil works. It is proven. He can sow doubt about everything else. It gets votes, and it will keep him from having to make the payments, if he can land back in office.

If you want to talk deplorables, this is a good place. For Donald is truly treating his constituency that way. He is actually intentionally leading them down an impractical path for them, and expecting them to yell and cheer for it. And you know what, they will! But I think anybody in a position of power over others like this should seek the best outcome for everybody, not the narcissistic one. To do otherwise is to treat representation like it takes place in a market, where it can say it serves only its owner. But representation is not that sort of creature. It appears, necessarily out of the whole. If it fails at that, it is no more than a tin pants dictatorship.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 16 Oct 2021, 18:23:41

People looked up the United Nations when it was formed, they believed it would be a source of great good in the world. Today it is composed of 193 member countries, the vast majority of which are totalitarian dictatorships basically. It is an Oligarchs club, an institution that gives legitimacy to some of the most evil scum on the planet. But that is how human affairs always works. The altruistic people are driven out long before they get near the pinnacles of power, the same as in large corporations. At the top they put on a good show of being human beings but their deeds speak otherwise.

You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. It is the latter group that are the most dangerous to my mind.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby Pops » Sun 17 Oct 2021, 09:03:07

Democracy seems to be holding on but freedom not so much

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Washington - March 3, 2021 — Authoritarian actors grew bolder during 2020 as major democracies turned inward, contributing to the 15th consecutive year of decline in global freedom, according to Freedom in the World 2021, the annual country-by-country assessment of political rights and civil liberties released today by Freedom House.

The report found that the share of countries designated Not Free has reached its highest level since the deterioration of democracy began in 2006, and that countries with declines in political rights and civil liberties outnumbered those with gains by the largest margin recorded during the 15-year period. The report downgraded the freedom scores of 73 countries, representing 75 percent of the global population. Those affected include not just authoritarian states like China, Belarus, and Venezuela, but also troubled democracies like the United States and India.

While still considered Free, the United States experienced further democratic decline during the final year of the Trump presidency. The US score in Freedom in the World has dropped by 11 points over the past decade, and fell by three points in 2020 alone. The changes have moved the country out of a cohort that included other leading democracies, such as France and Germany, and brought it into the company of states with weaker democratic institutions, such as Romania and Panama.

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Despite global concerns about democracy, more than half of countries are democratic
BY DREW DESILVER
Concern has been growing for the past several years about the future of democracy, and there is considerable dissatisfaction in many countries with how democracy is working in practice. But public support for democratic ideals remains strong, and by one measure, global democracy is at or near a modern-day high.

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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 11 Jun 2022, 16:52:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'D')emocracy seems to be holding on but freedom not so much.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLJBzhcSWTk
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 11 Mar 2025, 01:47:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')U.S. Demand for Gasoline Faces Long-Term Structural Problem: Plunging Per-Capita Consumption
by Wolf Richter • Mar 4, 2025 • 140 Comments
Even as miles driven inched to a record and the population surged, gasoline consumption in 2024 was where it had been 20 years ago.
https://wolfstreet.com/2025/03/04/u-s-d ... nsumption/

That's the effects of peak oil, the bumpy plateau we have been on since 2008 about.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Demand for bio- and hydrocarbon petrol and diesel fuels in the United Kingdom (UK) from 2000 to 2023
https://www.statista.com/statistics/382 ... ingdom-uk/
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/United ... nsumption/

Have a look over the chart in the first link, you'll see that now about 63% of fuel used in cars is gasoline, 34% Diesel. That's 97%, and then there is some Bio-Diesel and Boi-ethanol. EV is statistically irrelevant BTW, because drivers of EV never go very far from home anyway.

The chart show a transition from predominately Gasoline to Diesel useage but an analysis of any pair, for any given year, adding the two, shows that consumption has been in decline just like in the US.
37 thou-mt in 2000
32 thou-mt total in 2017

It's the same across the globe but much worse in the developing countries which have basically been bid out the back door by the wealthy (money printing) West.
But having said that, look at Bangladesh.

Gosoline, and Nat gas imports have been rising steeply for years.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Bangla ... nsumption/

Gas price hike threatens Bangladesh's textile and apparel sector
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ver the past five years, gas prices have surged by 286.5%, electricity prices by 33.5%, diesel prices by 68%, and bank interest rates have climbed to 14-15%. These cost increases have resulted in an overall production cost surge of approximately 50% over the past five years.
https://www.textiletoday.com.bd/gas-pri ... rel-sector

Well that's tough luck if your an average Bangladeshie just trying to feed your family, but if you're a multinational garment corporation and the nation is your factory floor, those increases are easily covered when the clothes are landed in the US and Australia. The prices there are the same as here, oil is oil, it's just that the average consumer there is a lot poorer than we are. There are many nations around the world like this. They have ONE primary export, clothes, or Tea, or Oil, or Sugar. The system was designed that way so as these nations could be easily exploited by the corporations that control the price and movement of the products to the West and other markets. All they need to do is buy off the despots running them.

So yes, the nation of Bangladesh imports a lot of oil, but the 171 Million people can't afford it for the most part. That's a lot of people, a lot of "Demand" wiped off the table so we don't have to suffer higher prices.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-62519139

It's one of the dynamics the early peakoilers got wrong. They just assumed the entire World would continue using oil as they always had and that would have (indeed) pushed the price far north of $300 bbl by now. But as the available oil (surplus after extraction- ie frack oil uses a lot to extract) but as this oil supply declines, more and more nations around the world suffer these catastrophic price shocks.

Why did their oil products rise so much compared to ours?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')angladesh started subsidizing the retail prices of energy products following independence in 1971

So while our governments were imposing tariffs and taxes, their government was subsidizing it. Now they can't afford that, whereas ours just keep ticking along with the same taxes.

PeakOil is a multifaceted beast, far too complex for the average Cheeto munching TV watcher to get their head around so they just accept whatever their chosen mouthpiece offers up as the truth. Lies basically. Half truths and misconceptions designed to keep them just where that are. Sitting in front of the TV after work munching their Cheetos. Taking on their debts, consuming the earth and enriching the corporations until the chosen date in time when the "solution" to peakOil will be implemented. The solution is simple, and has been obvious from the very start. Demand Destruction, like during Covid. Like during the global financial crisis. Those were good starts but the final solution needs to go a lot further...
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby mousepad » Tue 11 Mar 2025, 07:11:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
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PeakOil is a multifaceted beast, far too complex for the average Cheeto munching TV watcher to get their head around

I think it's quite simple. Price increases - demand decreases. I don't know why you make it so complicated.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') The solution is simple, and has been obvious from the very start.

The solution is indeed very simple. Do nothing. The market does automatic figuring out for us and we don't need to waste any time on thinking about solutions.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') but the final solution needs to go a lot further...


yes, of course. The final solution, hmmm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 11 Mar 2025, 17:15:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', ' ')I think it's quite simple. Price increases - demand decreases. I don't know why you make it so complicated.

Keep munching those cheetos
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The solution is indeed very simple. Do nothing. The market does automatic figuring out for us and we don't need to waste any time on thinking about solutions.

Ahhh, keynesian economics and Adam Smith's invisible hand, which is only invisible to those with their eyes closed. When you open your eyes you see Bidens and Musks and Saudi Princes, Putins and Manhattan Chases and all the rest of the hands.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')yes, of course. The final solution, hmmm.

When all else fails, when you can't think critically about a statement, grasp the Nazi Straw and try to portray the one confusing you as Hitler. Kuntsler talks of the American people sleepwalking into the future, and he's got it right. Those guiding hands keep you on an emotional roller coaster of politics and social issues, keep you so distracted by unimportant issues that the true issues of life just pass you by.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 11 Mar 2025, 17:34:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his paper shows how flaws in Keynes's General Theory render it irrelevant and inapplicable to real world. First of all, Keynes's macro model is an incomplete and imprecise. Second, Keynes's definitions of full employment, voluntary unemployment and involuntary unemployment are extremely vague and unfinished

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinfo ... erid=42335
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy Is the Invisible Hand Controversial? Critics argue that the idea that actions of self-interested, profit-driven actors will converge on some social optimum is clearly false. Instead, they naturally lead to negative externalities, economic and social inequalities, greed, and exploitation.

Ergo, musk and Bezos, Zuckerberg and all the other financial manipulators.

Why then are these still taught as "law", in Economics disciplines all over the world? Because universities are profit driven entities and produce many of the world's elite overlords, there is no profit in contesting theories that are making a handful of donors and government officials vastly rich is there. Economics isn't a science, it's a means of control and no one happier than the Banks that make trillions in interest off loans.

As I have said on many occasions, and restate here. I love the system, it's given us this amazing life, if you know how to manipulate it. But time is running out for it just as it did in 1929, and when the music stops you'll need to be dancing past a chair. I am.

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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby mousepad » Tue 11 Mar 2025, 19:12:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy Is the Invisible Hand Controversial? Critics argue that the idea that actions of self-interested, profit-driven actors will converge on some social optimum is clearly false. Instead, they naturally lead to negative externalities, economic and social inequalities, greed, and exploitation.


Who is the Invisible Hand Controversial for? The Kommunist?

But wait:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Up to its collapse in 1991, the Soviet Union generated 1.5 times as much pollution per unit of GNP as the United States.

How is that possible? You just stated above that the Invisible Hand leads to negative externalities?

It all depends on the playing field (the laws). And within the playing field, the Invisible Hand does its invisible magic and it beats every other system hands down in generating wealth and a higher standard of living.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby mousepad » Tue 11 Mar 2025, 19:16:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'a')nd when the music stops you'll need to be dancing past a chair. I am.

Romantic prepper fantasy. Some light prepping for an emergency is certainly the prudent thing to do.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 13 Mar 2025, 05:13:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'a')nd when the music stops you'll need to be dancing past a chair. I am.

Romantic prepper fantasy. Some light prepping for an emergency is certainly the prudent thing to do.
Thinking you can go solo with the world burning around you? I Laugh My Fucking Ass Off.


The world, outside of Australia, may well be burning around us here, certainly your nation is on fire. You were just born in the wrong time, in the wrong nation, you have my sympathy.

Lebanon was once a beautiful place too.

All gone now.

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And today, an old packard plant. The detritus of a failing nation.

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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 13 Mar 2025, 05:25:20

We have had old industrial areas too, they don't last long though, we redevelop them into places of value.

South Brisbane 1965

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The bronx, in your major city. Unbelievable squalor...

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Is it any wonder we look askance at you? Looks like a poor African township
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby AdamB » Thu 13 Mar 2025, 19:10:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')When all else fails, when you can't think critically about a statement, grasp the Nazi Straw and try to portray the one confusing you as Hitler.


You shouldn't have told us how great Hitler was if you didn't want to self identify as a neoNazi. And you ain't confusing Mousepad, Mouse has more brains in a thumb than you've had access to in your entire lifetime.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Thu 13 Mar 2025, 21:46:11

Putting wishful thinking and delusions aside, let's look at some facts.

Until Debt Tear Us Apart
Debt, the rise of oligarchs and the decline of capitalism


Don't bother trying to read this adam, just some something toxic about Australia or whatever.

Synopsis
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Let’s start things off with where we are at the moment. As of today 37% of the US GDP comes from real estate, finance, insurance and professional business services (law, consulting, brokerage etc.). Activities, which produce very little tangible value, yet cost exorbitant amounts of money. Yes, these professions are a vital part to a functioning economy, but when more than a third of a nation’s GDP is spent on them, then there is something seriously and badly amiss. For comparison manufacturing, mining, agriculture and construction together represents a mere 28% of the US economy… A thing to ponder on. Based on these simple facts I believe its not far fetched to call the US and most Western economies rentier economies. But why is that a problem, besides the bad taste these words leave in one’s mouth? The answer is simple: such an arrangement strangles the economy, and will lead to its eventual collapse — even without resource depletion, climate change or wars.

Besides their outsized share of economic transactions, profit rates in the FIRE (finance, insurance and real estate) sector grew from 20% in the 1980’s (vs ~8% in manufacturing) to 35% in the 2010’s — and can be expected to rise further still. Combined with their already large (and still growing) share of GDP we are talking about trillions with a T being sucked out of the economy in form of profits every year and spent on… What exactly…? Stocks…? Bonds…? Investments in other people’s and nation’s assets only to crank up rents…? Perhaps on political campaigns…? Well, not on creating a viable productive economy, for sure. To make matters worse all this immense “value” generated by the FIRE sector, IT services and the stock market has ended up in the hands of the wealthy 1% owning 50% of all stocks and bonds. Hence the idea to measure everything in terms of GDP and market valuation, not metric tons and kilowatts produced, let alone the well being of citizens. Who cares about that, when we can charge 35% on “services” running on computers and sold to you by people in a suit and tie?

https://thehonestsorcerer.medium.com/un ... 31dab93efe

The article goes into the details of this disaster, it's roots and eventual outcome. Not a pretty sight for anyone in debt or living on the bones of their arse now. ie, poor people who can only afford to buy second hand Leafs.

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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 26 Mar 2025, 20:11:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Don't bother trying to read this adam, just some something toxic about Australia or whatever.


Austalia isn't toxic, it is a beautiful land, handicapped by their genetic history in terms of follow on accomplishments, but all the First Worlders who I know who have visited think it is a nice place, the locals are dutifully subservient and eager to get First World currencies for trinkets.

You and your neoNazi friends just stay hidden and try not to scare off the tourists, it's not like as a Chinese mining colony you can afford to lose much foreign currency.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 09 Apr 2025, 17:23:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onventional crude oil production in the Permian Basin peaked in 1973, after having reached 2 million barrels of daily petroleum output, then began to decline steadily just as all other fields in the lower 48 states did. Since 2011, however, Permian crude oil production was on the rise again. Last year it has reached an impressive output just shy of 6.5 million barrels per day, making the Permian responsible for half of the US output, which is quite a feat.

Bye-Bye Saudi America https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/ ... di-america

The article points to the fact that this oil bonanza is going to run out. But what it doesn't point out is the cost of bringing this oil to market!

How much does it cost to produce oil in the Permian Basin?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ermian Central oil full-cycle costs at West Texas Intermediate (WTI) equivalent range from a low of USD $36.25/Bbl for wells with an Initial Productivity (IP) greater than 1800 Bbl/d to a high of USD $76.60/Bbl for wells with an IP of under 300 Bbl/d.
https://incorrys.com/energy/energy-cost ... ivity-oil/
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')il full-cycle costs encompass all expenses related to finding, developing, and producing oil, including exploration, development, and production costs, as well as royalties, taxes, and producer returns


Take the average of these and you have a production cost of $56 Bbl. And since all this cost is inherently energy as well, you can say the fields have an EROEI of less than 2:1 In other works they are very unprofitable and at today's $62 a barrel oil price they are barely breaking even. But that is just the oil production cost and doesn't include shipping and refining costs. Nor the expected profit the Gas station owner wants to make. It only makes sense if you have a lot of people willing to invest (and lose) a lot of capital to make it happen. There is certainly no left over profits to re-build interstate highways bridges and dams. To fund a lavish SS system as was in place in the middle of last century when oil gushed out at 100:1 barrels for every barrel's worth of oil money used to drill and maintain the wells.

This is why the US production totals are meaningless. Yes a lot of oil is coming out, but only enough to offset some of the decline globally, and at such a cost that Western society in general is still spiraling down into third world poverty. You have to take the cost of energy extracted into account, you can't just quote a figure and say "See, we're an oil superpower." Russia is an oil superpower because the EROEI on their oil is much much better.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he true cost of extracting Russian oil, encompassing operating expenses (OPEX), capital expenditures (CAPEX), and taxes, is estimated to be between $9 and $20 per barrel, with OPEX alone ranging from $3 to $8 per barrel.

It costs a lot to ship it around the globe, but that's irrelevant as far as local cost goes. Simply put Russia is sitting on oceans of oil and uses very little domestically. Not something the Western media likes to admit! They have been saying for decades that Russian oil peaked long ago. It never peaked. They just slowed the rate of extraction. They did not give in to the stupidity the West embarked on of burning all their oil as fast as they could.

The Trump regime is saving a few billion here and a few billion there by cutting out stupid wasteful government programs but all that is dwarfed by the increases he proposes in the military budget. So America will continue down it's debt spiral of death and no amount of un-economic oil brought to market will change that one iota. In 2007~8 abouts we passed the peak in conventional oil. Even abiotic oil believers like Adam_B admit to that. And ever since we have seen our civilizations descend into ever more poverty and lawlessness. The Peak Oil experts back in day admitted to future unconventional reserves, like the Permian, coming in to play, but they rightly ignored them. It was the high EROEI oil, the conventional oil that built our nations and gave us the "Happy Days" of the last half of the last century. Now it's all downhill, just like the EV bubble, and now the A.I. Bubble.

For those of you who have been denying Peak Oil for the past decade and half, you have wasted all that time when you could have been making your life bullet proof. Now all you can do is wait until the stock market crashes and takes away your retirement savings and then begin your life a lot poorer under the new energy constrained system. It will likely happen, like the throwing of a light switch. Like the global covid lockdowns, like the "Bank holiday" of 1933. Don't be misled, the world's leaders know what we're facing and have a plan for mitigating it. Just in their own lives, not yours. We are useless eaters to them, cannon fodder, worker bees, we're Human Capital, something to be exploited and cast off when it's no longer useful.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 12 Apr 2025, 19:48:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')onventional crude oil production in the Permian Basin peaked in 1973, after having reached 2 million barrels of daily petroleum output, then began to decline steadily just as all other fields in the lower 48 states did. Since 2011, however, Permian crude oil production was on the rise again. Last year it has reached an impressive output just shy of 6.5 million barrels per day, making the Permian responsible for half of the US output, which is quite a feat.

Bye-Bye Saudi America https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com/ ... americafor this


Give me a price for "conventional" oil and we can talk. Just pick the ones you are talking about from the list. All Global Benchmark Crudes

Do I need to provide a link to the definition of the word "List" for you so you know what it is? And do I need to explain how to "pick" from it to show us you have a clue what oils you are talking about?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')For those of you who have been denying Peak Oil for the past decade and half, you have wasted all that time when you could have been making your life bullet proof.

Peak oil happened 7 years ago. No denying that one, #6 of this century claimed or occurred.

Facts be facts. Click here. Select "World". Go to "Crude Oil and Lease Condensate" and scroll back and forth. So easy a middle schooler could figure it out. I apologize to them, but we have others here not as educated as you middle schoolers who need the help finding this thing called "data", which even the middle schoolers know you can't easily substitute for "idiot numbers made up by uneducated folks regardless of age".
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 14 Apr 2025, 15:35:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')Give me a price for "conventional" oil and we can talk.

I have, for russian conventional. Go re-read my posts.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Peak oil happened 7 years ago. No denying that one, #6 of this century claimed or occurred.

Facts be facts. Click here. Select "World". Go to "Crude Oil and Lease Condensate" and scroll back and forth. So easy a middle schooler could figure it out.

But a so called educated man can't discern the difference between Oil (petroleum), and "Petroleum and other liquids". You don't run tractors and cars on "other liquids" adam, you make billions of plastic bags with them.

You let other people do your thinking for you and they have filled your head with shit. The iea is a politically captured organization that will manipulate the statistics and tell the world whatever it needs to keep the wheels of corporate profit turning. Do you believe the unemployment figures? Did you believe it when you were told debt doesn't matter? Did you believe Biden when he told you he was going to transform America with the Inflation reduction act? I know you did, you and that npc kub were raving about the Federal EV charger build out (that never happened) :lol:

There is no point in talking to you adam, your just a bag of shit, full of all the lies the world spins. You never admit your failures, which is just about every post you make. Why would I want to talk to you? I talk "at you" from time to time, that's it. Now go dig up some more kangaroo pictures, I won't be uncovering any of your posts again for a while.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Inflation Reduction Act, signed by President Biden in 2022, aims to reduce the federal budget deficit, lower prescription drug prices, and invest in clean energy. It represents the largest investment in climate change initiatives in U.S. history, with significant funding for renewable energy and healthcare reforms.


And half the allocated money was no doubt siphoned off to help pay the one Trillion interest debt the US government incurs every year now. One day they won't be able to make those interest payments, then you'll see some serious shit come down.

Time's running out!

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We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: Peak Oil Never Went Away

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 14 Apr 2025, 17:03:55

Peak Oil Demand

What's that? It's a meaningless attempt to try and convince people that we don't need oil, that electricity (electric cars basically) will supplant it. It's obfuscation, a serious attempt to ignore the fact that the world as we know it simply cannot function without a steady supply of oil and coal. Coal? Yes, that stuff that's burnt every day all across the planet to generate electricity. Your home is no doubt full of Chinese product and the bulk of it was made in factories powered by coal burning plants.

Why Japan is struggling to kick its coal dependency
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ay 10, 2024
If a wealthy, advanced economy is having a hard time getting off coal, what does it mean for the rest of the world?
https://www.vox.com/climate/24152942/g7 ... -emissions

Many lies are told about 2035, when we are supposed to be "off" coal and oil. But any thinking person can see that's not going to happen. Japan, India, China, all burning mountains of coal and oil so we can buy cheap solar panels and ev and go "Green". Peak oil demand is basically saying we don't need oil now and as we transition into the StarTrek future we'll leave it behind. The truth is demand for oil long ago surpassed production of oil. Millions of people in Africa and South America, all across Asia and the rest of the world have been "Demanding" better lifestyles. They want to drive big fat SUV as well, but the cheap oil isn't there to give them the life they expected. Demand will always exceed supply, demand is an psychological thing, a want. Production is a REAL thing. The demand for owning houses always exceeds production of houses because many people can't afford them. So it is with oil and what it brings.

Back in the 1970's another lie was prevalent, that the third world would rise out of the mud and those people would share our lifestyles. This was of course impossible because our very lifestyles exist by exploiting those third worlders. Why was this Lie told? So they would keep peacefully toiling in their factories and fields and so that the rising social justice movement in the West would be silenced. That was the Greenpeace era, the anti-exploitation movement, much more practical than the woke social justice BS of today.

But we needed them to stay in the mud, they provide the cheap labor and the toxic waste sites for all our "Stuff." It's why we have cheap rice and cheap coco, cheap cloths and all else. If they had risen to our standard we wouldn't be able to afford their produce. The average Australian construction worker earns $6000 a month, drives a decent car to work and probably has bought a house. The average construction worker in China walks or catches a bus to work and probably lives in a shanty town or low cost rental, they make about $1000 a month (aussie). To put that in perspective just imagine you had to pay 6x what you currently pay for Gasoline or electricity, or a car, or Food! It's why they all eat rice or pulse (beans). They can't afford steak and peas.

"Peak oil demand" refers to the point when global oil consumption (Not Production) reaches its maximum and begins to decline, driven by factors like increased electric vehicle adoption, improved energy efficiency, and a shift towards renewable energy sources. Several organizations and analysts predict that global oil demand will peak in the coming years, with some forecasts suggesting a peak as early as 2029. However, other organizations and analysts anticipate a longer period of oil demand growth, with peaks potentially occurring in the 2030s or even later


Key Factors Influencing Peak Oil Demand:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
') Electric Vehicle (EV) Adoption:
The increasing adoption of EVs is expected to reduce demand for gasoline and diesel.

Energy Efficiency Improvements: Better fuel efficiency in vehicles and other equipment can also lower oil consumption.
Renewable Energy Transition: The transition to renewable energy sources like solar and wind power can reduce the need for oil in electricity generation.
Policy Changes: Policies that promote energy efficiency, renewable energy, and discourage oil consumption can accelerate the decline in demand.
Economic Growth: Economic growth, particularly in developing countries, can drive oil demand, but the extent of this growth can be influenced by factors like the pace of the energy transition.


Just a big bowl of tripe, just the sort of stuff cub and adam feed on. Swill, fed to the unthinking masses to keep them oblivious to the threat to their lifestyles, to their very lives in some cases. The Gaza peoples are being exterminated because Israel want's exclusive access to the offshore Gas and oil there. That's the real story. Iraqis live in poverty now, their nation covered in depleted uranium because we needed the oil more than they did. Likewise Libya, the Sudan, on and on and on. Venezuela has been isolated and crippled because it's massive oil reserves were not made available to the West as they once were. If we can't have it, neither can they. If oil demand is declining then why is all this going on?

Try searching this string on Google: bush "why did my son die"

From duck duck go:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')RAWFORD, Texas — The angry mother of a fallen U.S. soldier staged a protest near President Bush's ranch yesterday, demanding an accounting from the president of how he has conducted the war in Iraq.

Supported by more than 50 shouting demonstrators, Cindy Sheehan, 48, told reporters, ''I want to ask George Bush: Why did my son die?''
Sheehan said she decided to come to Crawford a few days ago after Bush said that fallen U.S. troops had died for a noble cause and that the mission must be completed. Sheehan said Bush administration officials ''don't have a mission and they don't even ever plan on completing it.'' She said she fears that the United States plans to keep a U.S. military presence in Iraq indefinitely.

Sheehan's bus pulled up at a house run by peace activists a few hundred feet from the town's only stoplight. There, she met up with other demonstrators and then led a caravan of about 20 vehicles down a winding road toward Bush's ranch. The group stopped along the wa sheriff's deputies in McLennan County advised them that if they wanted to go farther toward the ranch, they would have to walk in a ditch along the road.

The marchers walked about half a mile until the deputies stopped them, saying that they had violated their instructions by walking on the road itself instead of staying in the adjacent ditch. Sheehan protested, saying she had not walked on the road. The deputies refused to let her go farther.

(Published: August 7, 2005) https://www.capecodtimes.com/story/news ... 906303007/

Your son was cannon fodder Cindy, and you were a fool to protest against the system. Both you and your son were fools, he never should have enlisted in the first place, but what can a poor uneducated American boy do but go an die for a greater cause. Oil.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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