[EnergyUnlimited]

Silliness of China's one child policy have backfired.
Now officials who was enforcing this policy made a U-turn and begun force women to have more of them.
If you don't have enough children (and enough might be now 3 or 4) you may face state persecution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoSJb-qiAYY
Officials are questioning married women when they had last period and WHY THEY ARE NOT PREGNANT YET.

This remains great war on sparrows (Four Pests Campaign) of commander Mao.
History have made a circle.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')Officials are questioning married women when they had last period and WHY THEY ARE NOT PREGNANT YET.

[EnergyUnlimited]

Recipe for ultimate rebellion

If you don't respect your country and society you should either migrate away or REPLACE YOURSELF WITH NOTHING - what increasing numbers of people are actually doing.

[theluckycountry]

Yes a lot of Chinese are suicidal, a lot are just bewildered, and many many more are just frustrated and angry and what they must see as just another bait and switch where they were supposed to get rich but instead were thrown into the meat grinder of Chinese internal politics.

I actually know fuck all about China and that's because most of what I ever read was CCP propaganda and Chinese agents on the web pushing the "Rising Dragon" meme. But you can get a gist of the place by observing how many have immigrated as soon as they got the chance. Rats fleeing an authoritarian ship. All those poverty stricken muslims do the same thing but for other reasons.

[EnergyUnlimited]

I meant more dying childless than suicide.
This became universal across modern countries, beginning from China, through Poland or Germany and ending in US.
I believe that it is universal phenomenon in modern world - and an important factor which will finish it off.

[theluckycountry]

Ahhh I see, and yes I agree. When you have access to contraceptives it's all to easy isn't it. Back on the farm, in the old days especially, 10 children were a useful thing to have around as a few would stay and run the farm, look after you in your old age.

I suppose you could talk about it for hours and just go in circles looking for the triggers and motivations relating to the phenomena. $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you don't respect your country and society you should either migrate away or REPLACE YOURSELF WITH NOTHING

[The_Toecutter]

We're at the point to where I, as a engineer making 6-figures, couldn't afford to raise ONE child to the living standards common in the USA in the 1950s. Consider the household and lifestyle of the fictional characters Ward and June Cleaver as the benchmark. Trying to replicate that today would yield me a lifetime of crippling debt and no hope for retirement in old age, and that's the best case scenario where the wife doesn't divorce me, separate the family, get child support and alimony through the corrupted court system, AND assuming I never suffer a layoff for the next 30 years(I've had 4 in the last 15).

I know former coworkers currently making six figures who are homeless living out of a vehicle because of a nasty divorce. Some of them chose suicide.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'W')e're at the point to where I, as a engineer making 6-figures, couldn't afford to raise ONE child to the living standards common in the USA in the 1950s. Consider the household and lifestyle of the fictional characters Ward and June Cleaver as the benchmark. Trying to replicate that today would yield me a lifetime of crippling debt and no hope for retirement in old age, and that's the best case scenario where the wife doesn't divorce me, separate the family, get child support and alimony through the corrupted court system, AND assuming I never suffer a layoff for the next 30 years(I've had 4 in the last 15).

I know former coworkers currently making six figures who are homeless living out of a vehicle because of a nasty divorce. Some of them chose suicide.

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'O')TOH it is rather a preposterous idea here that with $$$$$$ pay one could still be homeless.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')And everyone wonders why nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE and why men have stopped dating or forming families in the good old USA.

[The_Toecutter]

In this day and age, not being a coward means throwing ones' self onto the gears of the machine, and choosing suicide by cop if it comes to it. And if such a person has kids, those kids will suffer greatly, especially as adults. Lots of ethical implications to consider with this.

Something has got to give. We're seeing the Calhoun mouse utopia experiment play out in real life here in the USA.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'I')n this day and age, not being a coward means throwing ones' self onto the gears of the machine, and choosing suicide by cop if it comes to it. And if such a person has kids, those kids will suffer greatly, especially as adults. Lots of ethical implications to consider with this.

Something has got to give. We're seeing the Calhoun mouse utopia experiment play out in real life here in the USA.

[The_Toecutter]

The USA is a police state of sorts. Not being a "law abiding coward" eventually catches up to you. It has consequences. One has to be careful how they go about this, or their shot at having a decent existence that isn't characterized by being brutish and short is irrevocably over. It's not cowardice. It's acknowledgement of basic cause and effect, and acting accordingly.

The Mexican way of doing things works because those people are used to living 5 to a bedroom, living paycheck to paycheck, skipping meals, and who are often going in and out of jail/prison for their various crimes to make money(drug dealing being an obvious choice). Their families are every bit as dysfunctional as white families, the difference is that their families stay together out of sheer survival necessity, even though they often hate each other and live lives of misery. They also have no hope for a better future, in spite of their best efforts.

That is not a solution. Not when the wealthiest 1% of the population owns most of everything. When you import the 3rd world, you get the 3rd world. White people in the USA simply haven't gotten used to it or accepted the new normal.

A modest house shouldn't cost more than 2,000 hours of minimum wage labor, as was the case in the 1950s. A laborer who builds such homes should be able to afford his own product, as used to be the case prior to the 21st century. Get rid of the parasites in banking/government who have turned basic survival necessities into investment vehicles with which to enslave people with via debt/taxes, and we can be back to that point again.

It's time to eat the rich.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'T')he USA is a police state of sorts. Not being a "law abiding coward" eventually catches up to you. It has consequences. One has to be careful how they go about this, or their shot at having a decent existence that isn't characterized by being brutish and short is irrevocably over. It's not cowardice. It's acknowledgement of basic cause and effect, and acting accordingly.

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')IMO it is a cowardice and also one of main reasons why dysfunctional, oppressive systems can even exist.
No oppressive system can exist between men who fear NOTHING.
One can argue about living in such society - is it good or bad - but it does not change my stated observation.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', ' ')There is no actual freedom in this country, only the illusion thereof

[theluckycountry]

For someone with a good income and savings the anarchist thing can make sense, if they not too old, not too emasculated. But for everyone else it means the loss of the EBT card -starving- and the loss of their government pension. While they still have lots of food coming in people don't rise up, and now they have Hope in the form of Trump, he's going to turn it all around they think.

But the biggest problem I see is this dogged mindset the American people have regarding their position in the World. They actually think they are the best, and can't conceive of their nation collapsing. It's the Empire mindset that Britons had, that the French still have, that the Egyptians probably still have. Egyptians only have to look out of their slums at the Pyramids to know they are the best nation on Earth

59% of the US population lives paycheck to paycheck
https://www.theepochtimes.com/business/ ... ws-posts-2

President Abdel Nasser and flunkies on the eve of the invasion of Israel. They were going to "push them into the sea" The dead empire syndrome.

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')Freedom is a rare and transient state of affairs.
Some approximations of freedom were present in maybe a decade or two of all American history, but otherwise nothing alike.
Nevertheless it is worth seeking regardless.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '
')Burn it all to the fucking ground.

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')Nations involved have only themselves and no one else to blame, particularly if we are discussing countries like US or China.