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California Leads EV Adoption
California has the highest number of electric vehicles, with 1.1 million. Florida follows with 231,000 EVs, and Texas ranks third with 210,000
California, EVs per 100,000 people... Wait for it... 3026.
That equates to one in every 33 cars driving past. For Florida, the next in line, one car in every 100 driving by. Some states with lower populations fare better in adoption rates per 100,000 population but the majority are much lower than Florida. Great Transition? 1:100 and less?
The way the media has spun it you'd think they were crawling all over the place but the data tells the true story, the vast majority of people either can't afford one or simply rejected them out of hand because of all the downsides. It's all downhill from here too folks.
Only all-electric vehicles are included of course, no Lies here kub, no including Gasoline burners with a battery augment.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped ... -by-state/
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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15
Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15
by theluckycountry » Thu 22 Aug 2024, 17:55:17
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15
by theluckycountry » Thu 22 Aug 2024, 18:12:52
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kublikhan', 'W')e did not start going the EV route because of the incredible strength of EVs selling in the market unsubsidized. We went the EV route for other reasons: pollution, climate change, oil depletion, etc.
Which all turned out to be Bullshit reasons because vastly more pollution is generated and oil used to build EV's in the first place than it takes for a Gas car. If people had been told the truth up front no greenheads would have touched them. 4 to 5 years is touted as the break even point and by then the EV is half rooted! It's BATTERY seriously degraded.
That's why they don't want you to charge then beyond 80%, they are trying to eek another year or two out of them. And I don't for a minute believe adam's BS about the life left remaining is his old ones, it's a well established fact that the battery meters falsify the range, they look good until you actually try and drive that far, then they fall off a cliff. $50,000 for a luxury car with an 8~10 year lifespan, and leading up to the end, real range anxiety?
You can keep your mobile ipad shopping trolley, the rest of us will keep our conventional vehicles until the oil runs out. By then it won't matter because with no oil there will be no EVs either.
EVidiots. Talking to them is like talking to Jehovas Witnesses. "It's the TRUTH! We are the TRUTH!!"
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 15
by theluckycountry » Sat 24 Aug 2024, 02:16:58
Bubble Mania
In the lead up to a bubble top the intellectuals and politicians come out of the woodwork like cockroaches at midnight. The claims become Shrill! "This is the dawning of a new age, if you ignore the transition you'll be left behind, forever." Of course that's never the case with real new-age dawning technologies, no one ever had any doubts that they would want that new-fangled e-lectritiy. And if some did, well they were just swept along with the flood anyway.
2017
Death spiral for cars. By 2030, you probably won’t own one
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y 2030, you probably won’t own a car, but you may get a free trip with your morning coffee. Transport-As-A-Service will use only electric vehicles and will upend two trillion-dollar industries. It’s the death spiral for cars.
A major new report predicts that by 2030, the overwhelming majority of consumers will no longer own a car – instead they will use on-demand electric autonomous vehicles.
https://reneweconomy.com.au/death-spira ... one-93626/In the lead up to a bubble top the intellectuals and politicians come out of the woodwork like cockroaches at midnight. The claims become Shrill! "This is the dawning of a new age, if you ignore the transition you'll be left behind, forever." Of course that's never the case with real new-age dawning technologies, no one ever had any doubts that they would want that new-fangled e-lectritiy. And if some did, well they were just swept along with the flood anyway.
2017
Death spiral for cars. By 2030, you probably won’t own one
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y 2030, you probably won’t own a car, but you may get a free trip with your morning coffee. Transport-As-A-Service will use only electric vehicles and will upend two trillion-dollar industries. It’s the death spiral for cars.
A major new report predicts that by 2030, the overwhelming majority of consumers will no longer own a car – instead they will use on-demand electric autonomous vehicles.
So the headline was a Lie, they wanted to suck you in to read their delusions, but if you're trying to market a new scam then Lies are the order of the day, the bigger the better.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y 2030, within 10 years of regulatory approval of autonomous electric vehicles (A-EVs), the report says, 95 per cent of all US passenger miles traveled will be served by on-demand, autonomous, electric vehicles that will be owned by fleets rather than individuals.
The provision of this service may come virtually free as part of another offering, or a corporate sponsorship. Imagine, for instance, paying a token sum for a ride into town after buying a latte for $4.50. Or getting a free ride because the local government has decided to make transport easier. He says while the report focuses on the US, the forecasts are valid for Australia too, because the transportation industry is global. And he warns that the car you buy now may well be your last.
The level of delusion in the supposedly 'serious' report is legend, a 95% swap out of the world's fleets withing 10 years. A pipe dream. At the time it came out we were at the peak of the AI autonomous bubble and then within a year it was crickets as far as that was concerned. Sure sure we still see the odd little fleet popping up, much like a new fusion power lab pops up, but it's nothing serious.
Elon Muck tossed out his plan for a massive autonomous fleet six months ago, tossed it out like spaghetti against the wall to see if anything stuck. But he raves about all manner of crap, Mars flights, Mars colonies, super trains in pipes, all the fringe Sci-Fi dreams. His Legendary Tesla company is sinking like a stone and yet is was going to be the future! No the future chooses itself, marketing companies only get a temporary say, a few years at best and Elon has now distanced himself from Tesla. No doubt when it finally closes it's doors he'll blame bad management, or the Russians or Chinese.
With a little over five years remaining for "Death spiral for cars" to play out we can safely consign this prediction to the waste bin. That just leaves Electric cars. The great hope for these now are the cheap Chinese offerings flooding the market. Yes they will push the Great Transition! But what we are seeing there is simply chinese factories trying to recoup their costs by pushing their usual garbage product on an unsuspecting world at ever cheaper prices.
That's the real crime in this shift, people should have been alerted long ago about substandard Chinese product but because of WOKE, that Nation's reputation has been protected. Anyone suggesting they make garbage is shouted down as racist haters, bigots, all the trigger terms brought to bear. So we have whole generations who are clueless about what quality actually is. So rather than pulling up the slack of the collapsing western makers these Chinese offerings will simply destroy the EV image faster as owners begin reporting on the shortfalls and problems inherent in them. They'll look around for an alternative, but there won't be one. Like all the Japanese and Euro solar panel makers, appliance makers, power tool makers, they will be gone. Driven to the wall.
The Japanese Hybrid manufacturers are about the only carmakers on the planet now still turning a profit. They achieved this by hitting on a winning marketing ploy, a Gasoline powered car that mimics an EV, a concept that has fooled 99% of the population. Even many posters here who should know better? The vast majority actually believe these little non-plugin units recharge themselves via regenerative braking, they have no idea that the big generator attached to the Gas engine is actually doing the bulk of recharging. But people have always had a love for perpetual motion machines and this sort of fills that slot. As long as you don't look at the full spec releases, or look too closely under the bonnet, you can drive your dream car off into the future convinced you're now a Green eco-warrior.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]How do they generate power to recharge the battery?
The batteries of hybrid cars are recharged by the electric motor. This acts as a generator, and is activated by decelerations, regenerative braking and [the combustion engine itself.] When braking and releasing the accelerator pedal, hybrid cars recover power, using the kinetic energy of the rotating wheels while the car slows down. The kinetic energy that is generated while braking is transformed into electric energy by the generator, with this being stored in the battery.
So now all you have to do is a rough calculation in your head as to how much actual time you spend meaningfully slowing down and how much time you spend accelerating down the road, against constant wind resistance. You will quickly see that unless you are in an urban environment, meaningful braking is a very small part of your daily travel. In the blurb above they downplay the active recharging off the combustion engine and hype up the regenerative braking aspect, and of course no mention of losses due to internal battery resistance etc. A simple thought experiment though will tell you that unless you're in stop and go traffic, regen-braking will play a very small part indeed.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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It's all iPad, talk about a total distraction from the basic act of driving.
