[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ') MARCH 2024 - Former President Trump has escalated his rhetoric against electric vehicles (EVs) on the campaign trail, including in key swing states poised to benefit from investments in EV manufacturing. The former president’s frequently apocalyptic language around EVs made national news over the weekend

[theluckycountry]

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')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Underground mining EVs are here to stay
The electrification of underground mining vehicles (i.e. electric underground loaders and electric underground trucks)

[theluckycountry]

How is the media dealing with the collapse of the EV dream? Well first of all remember this, we are talking about a multi trillion dollar industry with a lot of big name players in it, players that Advertise in the mass media. If you want advertising revenue you don't want to piss these people off.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')esla Beats Estimates With Less-Drastic Drop in EV Sales

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou should have been a politician kub, you can lie through your teeth and still make it sound half reasonable. We have been through this drivel of your in the last thread, electric underground mining trucks and loaders have been around forever you idiot! It's because it's cheaper than putting in huge fans to pump air through the shafts and flush out the diesel fumes

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'A')s for your other BS link
Electric Vehicles in Mining 2024-2044: Technologies, Players, and Forecasts

Out with the crystal ball again is it? Very boring, very tiring.
20-year forecasts for unit sales, battery demand, and revenue.
IDTechEx's report 'Electric Vehicles in Mining 2024-2044

What is this but a BS website that makes money promoting anything it's PAID to promote. You had to dig deep to find this crap didn't you kub lol lol. No more stories in the mainstream press or coming out of the White House is there?

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'W')ith Trillions of dollars at stake you have to keep up the BS as best you can so the average investor, people like Adam and kub, don't get cold feet and pull out.

[theluckycountry]

Hyundai accused of faking EV sales numbers in US

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ul 9, 2024
A new lawsuit in the U.S. accuses Hyundai of faking EV sales numbers there. The case was filed in a Chicago federal court late last week by Napleton Aurora Imports and affiliated franchises.

They say Hyundai’s U.S. arm pressured dealers to alter inventory records to exaggerate sales numbers. Dealers who played along were allegedly rewarded with extra stock of fast-selling models. The suit says they also got discounts on wholesale prices for the cars, and other benefits.

In a statement Monday, Hyundai said it did not condone any falsification of data, and had opened an investigation as soon as it was told of the allegations. The lawsuit claims the firm wanted to create the impression of booming demand for EVs. It quotes a company sales manager saying “we gotta hit a number for the press”. The dealers involved say they were denied benefits, and are seeking damages to cover lost sales.

[theluckycountry]

The False Promise of Electric Cars
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')“The more the state ‘plans,’” wrote Hayek, “the more difficult planning becomes for the individual.” This may resonate with the driver of an electric vehicle (EV) who has pulled up at a charging station in the middle of nowhere, only to find it broken.

In January last year, Carlos Tavares, the CEO of Stellantis, the world’s fifth-largest carmaker (it was formed by the merger of Fiat Chrysler and Peugeot), described electrification as “a technology chosen by politicians” and said it was “imposed” on the auto sector. By contrast, the triumph of the internal-combustion engine (ICE) over a century ago was organic.

Human ingenuity and the power of markets led to a product that swept almost everything else off the road. EVs (which first had a moment around 1900) were not banned, and neither was the horse. In due course, ICE horseless carriages for the Astors were followed by the Model T and its kin. The automotive age had truly arrived.

[kublikhan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')he Whole EV complex, based on Lies.
Falsified sales figures
Falsified Range figures
False battery life figures
False promises of charging infrastructure
Green? Greater road dust, tire dust, and brake dust exacerbated by the higher weights of EVs
In no way Green because in 8 years you throw in the bin because battery replacement is impractical.

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised in this era of corporate greed and malfeasance.

[theluckycountry]

Why Americans don’t want electric vehicles


President Biden and his bureaucrats are scratching their heads, wondering why their constituents still cling to their gas-powered cars. But the reasons are clear. Electric cars are inferior products. They are also bad for the environment and damaging to the economy in hidden ways that their biggest cheerleaders have not been honest about.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ot long ago, pundits were telling us that gasoline-powered cars would soon vanish from the streets, replaced by sleek, space-age vessels powered by electricity. But consumer demand for electric cars never matched the hype.

Fewer drivers are interested in electric vehicles today than ever before, according to a new survey. This is further confirmed by Hertz’s recent announcement that it is selling 20,000 electric cars in its fleet. The most obvious reason for consumer disenchantment is the hassle of charging EVs. Few drivers are willing to plan their lives around finding a charging station and waiting around for their battery to top up. During the nation’s recent Arctic blast, motorists found that getting a full charge took even longer. In frigid weather, fragile EV batteries are forced to drain their own power to maintain warmth.

No matter how many subsidies and regulations the federal government pushes onto the market, consumers prefer gasoline’s convenience and reliability. They are also waking up to the fact that EVs have not delivered on their highly anticipated environmental promise. Cobalt, an essential component of EV batteries, is primarily mined in the Democratic Republic of the Congo in mines owned and controlled by the Chinese Communist Party. Children as young as four labor in toxic dust, earning just a dollar or two a day. The cobalt is then shipped to China for refining. After all this, only about 5 percent of lithium ion batteries are recycled.

Even the “zero-emission” label is misleading. Overwhelmingly, it is coal and natural gas that generate electricity for EVs. While federal and state subsidies have attempted to force an energy transition, renewables make up barely a quarter of the national grid. That’s why a colleague of mine ironically drives an electric vehicle emblazoned with a bumper sticker reading, “Can’t roll without oil, gas, and coal.” Finally, Americans are beginning to realize that the sticker price of electric vehicles — made attractive by generous subsidies on the taxpayers’ dime — are pushing most of the cost down onto those who can least afford it.

Completely ignored in the recent Senate Energy & Natural Resources hearing on Federal Electric Vehicle Incentives is the fact that every EV sold places nearly $50,000 in additional costs on taxpayers. This is according to first-of-its-kind research that a colleague and I have published. That total cost was $21 billion in 2021 — money the taxpayers would certainly prefer to have back. It’s not just our tax return that suffers from the government playing favorites with EVs. Home and public charging stations also place a significant strain on the electric grid, resulting in an average of $11,833 in socialized costs per vehicle over 10 years. Those costs are shouldered by us through our electricity bills.

We should be deeply concerned about rising utility costs. These are no mere nuisance; in some cases, they can be deadly. The Energy Information Administration reports that 27 percent of American households struggled to afford their home energy bills. Almost as many skipped out on necessities such as prescription refills or grocery runs in order to make ends meet, kept their home at an unsafe temperature, or received a shutoff notice. And that is based on 20202 numbers, from before “Bidenflation” had hit Americans’ pocketbooks.

President Biden and his bureaucrats are scratching their heads, wondering why their constituents still cling to their gas-powered cars. But the reasons are clear. Electric cars are inferior products. They are also bad for the environment and damaging to the economy in hidden ways that their biggest cheerleaders have not been honest about. The Biden administration should get out of the way and let the free market tell auto dealers what it is consumers want.

Jason Isaac is founder and CEO of the American Energy Institute and a distinguished fellow for Life: Powered at the Texas Public Policy Foundation

[Shaved Monkey]

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In no way Green because in 8 years you throw in the bin because battery replacement is impractical.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]
In no way Green because in 8 years you throw in the bin because battery replacement is impractical.

[theluckycountry]

I was just cruising through the old threads on this subject, it seems Adam was once thinking rationally, I wonder what changed?

Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 11
Post by AdamB » Wed 27 Jan 2021

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e'll see how that goes. I live in a place where EVs are quite common, and the charging infrastructure strikes me as insufficient for a major shift in the percentage of EVs looking for it while they are out and about. I have developed a sudden interest in non-home charging as range anxiety has been the first feeling that has hit me with the new EV. Without gasoline backup, suddenly I am very careful about how far from home I get.

[theluckycountry]

New EV Owners Are Regretting Their Purchase!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQSNMHOXO8U

Chinese EV Problems With Safety Are So HUGE That They Can't Be CENSORED Anymore!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f9UdN6XEHU

[Shaved Monkey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '[')b]
In no way Green because in 8 years you throw in the bin because battery replacement is impractical.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shaved Monkey', '
')Theres the problems in garage free inner city living
Just need to get council to come up with solutions
https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 5b6i1.html

[mousepad]

Just visited switzerland and it's difficult to find them teslas on the road anymore.

https://theswisstimes.ch/swiss-interest ... e-decline/

Ain't that weird? Switzerland is a prime candidate for full in electrification.
1. rich as shit population
2. short distances
3. plenty of electricity from hydro and retarded next door germany who has to unload overproduction of solar on peak days.
4. a leftwing "white guilt" do-good attitude of saving the world by importing every negro and raghead they can find

Yet despite of all this, ev ain't no hit no more.

And I could swear by my grandmothers beard that kub/adam told me that ev are taking over the world exponentially, 'cause they cheap as shit. I'm all confused now.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', 'J')ust visited switzerland and it's difficult to find them teslas on the road anymore.

https://theswisstimes.ch/swiss-interest ... e-decline/

Ain't that weird? Switzerland is a prime candidate for full in electrification.
And I could swear by my grandmothers beard that kub/adam told me that ev are taking over the world exponentially, 'cause they cheap as shit. I'm all confused now.

[theluckycountry]

I decided to Google "commonly held delusion of ev" because that is what it is, a delusion foisted on the people by the endless repetition of Lies. It turn out there are innumerable stories on this subject, one, a quora page, has as it's latest post a fanboi talking about the Amish and horses and all manner of drivel, he has 3 UpVotes. a more rational take from January got a total of over 6000 upvotes. I'll quote that first because it's not so Angry.

The link, so fanboi here can attack it lol. https://www.quora.com/How-long-do-you-t ... l-last-for

How long do you think the Electric Vehicle delusion will last for?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y delusion lasted 12 months. Owned one, have proper charge point fitted at my house. If you have your own charge point and only drive to the limit of your range all the time then it is great and makes sense to own one, subject that you can afford to purchase and run one.

They are effortless and a pleasure to drive and have driven a few. I do a lot of trips within range but a few times a year i do long runs, lots of which are not on motorways and at the moment UK is not ready. There are few chargers off motorways and when you go out of your way to go to it there are other people waiting or as has happened to me the things are shut down due to technical problems. Now to further the problems my insurance almost doubled on renewal for the electric, unlike my other cars where there was a minimal increase. I have full no-claims over 25 years and clean licence.

Another aspect is that to use public chargers you will have to pay a subscription fee even Tesla if you want Premium. In edit to clarify I have to state that you don't need to pay for apps to charge your vehicle unless you want premium apps. However you need several apps. I had several subscriptions so I can use most public chargers, that was totalling up to £30 per month or so. Also charging prices away from home are going up all the time so the benefit is being eroded there too.

My final gripe is tablet driving is not my scene and I absolutely hate it. I have recently sold mine at a great loss and purchased a Lexus NX 450+Takumi which has a electric only range of 40–50miles so for most of my time I can charge at home and just use electric and when on long journeys I just use it as hybrid. I then cruise in comfort without any anxieties. Give me a nudge when the world gets real.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'I') decided to Google "commonly held delusion of ev" because that is what it is, a delusion foisted on the people by the endless repetition of Lies.