[EnergyUnlimited]

So it have happened and actually in quite low tech environment.
Assassin have climbed on roof of shed where he was seen by number of people who have informed security staff.
But security have ignored warnings saying that they didn't see anyone.
Then bullets were fired from this roof of shed from a distance of something like 120 yards.
Unfortunately (if you are Democrat) or fortunately (if you are Republican) most of bullets have missed Trump and bystander was killed and another wounded instead. One bullet have wounded Trump in his ear - what didn't require much of medical attention and he is fine.
Attacker got killed (and here is an important question - why they didn't take him alive? He was no longer a threat after all and they could learn a lot about his motivation and connections what would be useful).
For sure attacker was not a great shooter. It is not that difficult to kill someone from 120 yards with a rifle.
My wife would manage it easily even if she fired maybe 200 bullets in her life.

Everything looks like a rather low budget western. Don't know what to make out of that.

[theluckycountry]

Some pundits predicted "they" would try to assassinate him. It certainly won't hurt his poll ratings.
It's Huge news, but I really just think, "So what"

[Newfie]

A decent initial analysis here.

https://open.substack.com/pub/ryanmcbet ... medium=ios

Who the shooter was and his motives are very murky.

A photo has emerged of him SUPPOSEDLY showing a rather odd looking person.

I think the BS meter will be bending in this one.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')
I think the BS meter will be bending in this one.

[Newfie]

Hey now, no picking on the UFO'S, that is some hot stuff.

BTW the Shumer-Rounds amendment is back up for insertion this year with some revision of who reviews.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'B')TW the Shumer-Rounds amendment is back up for insertion this year with some revision of who reviews.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'A') decent initial analysis here.

https://open.substack.com/pub/ryanmcbet ... medium=ios

Who the shooter was and his motives are very murky.

A photo has emerged of him SUPPOSEDLY showing a rather odd looking person.

I think the BS meter will be bending in this one.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')It is actually quite reassuring to see that a determined single man acting alone and on low budget still has a chance to defeat modern state machinery and change history. So not all is lost.
Quite likely America was about a single inch from a civil war.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')It is actually quite reassuring to see that a determined single man acting alone and on low budget still has a chance to defeat modern state machinery and change history. So not all is lost.
Quite likely America was about a single inch from a civil war.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
') people who have never voted before are registering Republican so they can express themselves. Even CNN is trying to become a news outlet again instead of a Dim propaganda machine.

[EnergyUnlimited]

@theluckycountry & careinke

One way or another it shows that American state machinery is in gross disarray if not entirely broken.

Lets consider non-conspiracy theory first and we know a result. 20 years old guy with no experience, working as a kitchen aid have managed to defeat security apparatus and fired shots at former president wounding him and being an inch away from success.
Before doing so he erected a large ladder in sight of some people including police, climbed on the top of building with a rifle and shot president while being watched by Secret Service counter snipers for more than half a minute before firing.
https://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/why ... ect-trump/
If that is how police and other state services are working, why not to simply disband them?

Lets consider conspiracy theory now: Evil deep state agents have appointed an inexperienced boy working in nursery home to shoot American president. But he was not a great shooter and he screwed it up.
You are probably aware that an average girl who held several times a rifle in hand and fired few dozens of bullets would in all probabilities succeed at this range with AR-15.
So the question in this case is: what sort of monkeys are in charge out there?
Baboons? Macaque?

Final conspiracy-light option: People in charge of event were aware of developing situation and yet decided to do nothing, conspiracy was not to kill Trump but to deny protection when needed.
If so then this fate may be in store for *any* VIP depending of developing political situation and anyone in power is opened to attack hostage to FEELINGS of official in charge. If so then why not to simply dissolve Secret Service and similar agencies to save some money?

[Newfie]

My 2 cents.

The kid (20) was a loner, good student, who hung around on a online sight about guns and demolition. 2 year pre- engineering community College degree. No overt political feelings. Donated to D's but registered R.

He tried out for the HS rifle team but did not make it. Belonged to a shooting club.

He used an AR, just bought 500 round box of ammo.

He hung around the ralley entrance but was apparently stymied by the magnamoneters.

From this I conclude he had no solid "plan" other than to go to the rally to shoot Trump. He got there and was stumped by security. So he looked around and saw an open opportunity and made a unplanned long range shot.

A sniper would use a better rifle, a better round. Likely match grade ammo, not bulk junk. He had no cover, no escape route, no chance of survival.

A college class mate may have nailed it. Suicide by Cop.

A conspiracy would have shown some planning. How do you plan to have your sniper wandering around the crowd with concealed AR on a hot day?

Yes there were multiple security failures both in planning and execution. I saw a brief note some cop approached the kid but failed to engage him. I saw video of him on the roof and people yelling at him.

If this is a conspiracy then it is absolute worst ever conceived. It would have to involve multiple agencies from local on up. And there Isa good chance someone in the crowd was carrying and would have plugged him.

This is simply a case of massive incompetence by the Secrete Service (and others) and cowardness by a local cop.

Back to American politics......the whole presedential election system is massively screwed up. There is nothing democratic or representative about it. It needs a massive over haul but neither party is willing to do that. One is as bad as the other.

Disgusting.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')You are probably aware that an average girl who held several times a rifle in hand and fired few dozens of bullets would in all probabilities succeed at this range with AR-15.
So the question in this case is: what sort of monkeys are in charge out there?
Baboons? Macaque?

Final conspiracy-light option: People in charge of event were aware of developing situation and yet decided to do nothing, conspiracy was not to kill Trump but to deny protection when needed.
If so then this fate may be in store for *any* VIP depending of developing political situation and anyone in power is opened to attack hostage to FEELINGS of official in charge. If so then why not to simply dissolve Secret Service and similar agencies to save some money?

[ralfy]

https://x.com/TheMilkBarTV/status/1812731727053488418

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')atch the real time assassination attempt on Trump from different angles. With countdown from footage of people warning authorities about the shooter to Trump being whisked away.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')You are probably aware that an average girl who held several times a rifle in hand and fired few dozens of bullets would in all probabilities succeed at this range with AR-15.
So the question in this case is: what sort of monkeys are in charge out there?
Baboons? Macaque?

Final conspiracy-light option: People in charge of event were aware of developing situation and yet decided to do nothing, conspiracy was not to kill Trump but to deny protection when needed.
If so then this fate may be in store for *any* VIP depending of developing political situation and anyone in power is opened to attack hostage to FEELINGS of official in charge. If so then why not to simply dissolve Secret Service and similar agencies to save some money?

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'A')s for degenerate, unless you know something i don't he is pretty typical of Americans in his age group so you probably label the rest of us the same way, which if anything rather weakens your argument to just a hostile foreigner's opinion of Americans

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')Degeneration of America is a broad subject.
It has much to do with progressive ideology gone wild - so for example LGBT promotion and privileges, feminism, transsexualism...

There are also other hallmarks of degeneration of US, aside of those related to progressive policies.
- lawsuit culture
- wide antidepressant use
- debt mongering to individuals (student loans etc)...

These *features* are affecting in adverse way substantial majority of Americans.
Base on that it is legitimate to say that at the moment America as a whole is degenerate state.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '.').. As for degenerate, unless you know something i don't he is pretty typical of Americans in his age group so you probably label the rest of us the same way, which if anything rather weakens your argument to just a hostile foreigner's opinion of Americans

[Newfie]

Lucky,

It sounds like you are saying the USA did "take ownership" and you don't like it.

Yes the USA has issues, not the least of which is the glaring problem either our Presidenti selection process. But what country does NOT have major problems as you spend much time pointing out, frequently correctly.

People make mistakes and are then criticized for it. That's life.

[Newfie]

Let's try to bring this back on topic.

Below is a good article with 3 experienced sniper/security personnel interviewed.

It is interesting as they do journeyman talk, how a professional sees the situation.

They point out the effective sniper team was tasked with a 1,000 yard radius and were likely looking beyond the near building and did not see the near risk.

The building had been identified as a risk but the 3 local sniper teams were INSIDE the building, no one was tasked with securing the building itself. A local failure.

The question about drones remains.

It is a good and practical read.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/exper ... on-attempt

https://www.twz.com/news-features/exper ... on-attempt