by EnergyUnlimited » Sat 23 Sep 2023, 14:34:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'H')e researched city state civilizations back to the dawn of time and one finding, aside from an average 400 year lifecycle, was that they eventually entered a decline, 100 years or so, then a rapid collapse taking about 10 years.
I believe it was the case with Mayans.
Romans however were declining slower and longer.
One can argue that the final great and successful Cesar was Mark Aurelius and imperial decline have started with arrival of his son Commodus, this idiot known from movie
"Gladiator".
Then was a series of falls and incomplete recoveries going on for 300 years before final humiliating series of surrenders to Goths at 460-80.
Remnants were still existing for about 100 years longer before finally dissipating.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne salient aspect of the collapse was that the people of the empire just gave up on the lifestyle, lost interest in the empire, ceased to work.
IMO it will be the case with West.
Plumbers and electricians will no longer come to work, then there will be few days of looting in darkness and that is how it will all end.
Sure, they will call police and army to help but these people will rather join looters as well.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he decline encompasses many aspects, social, financial, spiritual even. Today most people in the western world decry religion, they want nothing to do with it, but strong belief and adherence to the principals of a deity was always a hallmark of a strong civilization. England was very ardently protestant when it came into it's powerful stage, the USA too, very religious. Whether individual people believed in the doctrines or not is irrelevant, it was a unifying force in the empires, it helped hold them together.
Nearly always the case but there is a notable exception - China.
They replaced regular religions with Confucianism where all the faith is placed in government.
Sure, there are Gods and heaven out there but they are not relevant, you don't need to pray to them, they won't harm or help you but you should rather try to mimic their perfectly harmonious life here on Earth - of course with an aid and guidance of government who has famous
heavenly mandate to rule.
Chinese Buddhism is known too but it is rather cultural implant from India adapted by Chinese over many centuries and practiced by say 15% of population.
There is Taoism as well where deities are of secondary relevance but more important are forces which you should somehow accept and allow them to flow smoothly through your body (Chi, Jin, Jang).
There are plenty of Gods out there but no one to whom you could pray nor worship him.
They won't listen, won't reward you and won't punish you.
You are earning points for your future fate, gods won't help or harm and you will find out in your next incarnation how well you were doing.
Religious practice is more like sorcery - and I know what I am talking about because my wife is Chinese and we are over 30 years together.
Amazingly whatever my wife is doing (and considerable number of superstitious rituals is practiced) it appear to work so well that sometimes I will join in.
Mind you - she is well educated and from their upper middle class (MSc in Chemistry, graduated in the UK).
But one way or another these are not believes useful in nation/empire building - with the exception of Confucian trust in government which is not a religion really.
Chinese beliefs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o today it's in the garbage bin, but so is honest business practices, the appropriate punishment of criminals, the family unit, the national money systems. They have all gone down together and the process has been underway for many many decades. I cold see Widdowson's collapse occurring at any time. They don't ring a bell, it just happens.
Today nearly everything of value is in a garbage bin and if something is not there then it is already in landfill site.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')mmm. The collapse of the USSR didn't result in the collapse of Russia, but if you were our age or older living through it wasn't a pleasant experience. I'm over 60 and starting from scratch isn't a scenario I would relish. I think it pays to have a plan B and plan C in these times.