[EnergyUnlimited]

Today there is a lot of news here in Poland about American police shooting and killing Black pregnant woman in her car.
This was few days ago.
To make matters worse officer was White.
So BLM time again, I suppose...
Being a local shop owner or store manager in Columbus (Ohio) I would be holing up!

[Newfie]

EU,
One needs to think about that for a moment.
WHY is there a lot of news about this in Poland?
Or even IS there a lot of news about this in Poland or is it just the news sources you follow?

I am in Canada and using Ground News this event is not reported.

Switching my VPN to USA it still does not come up, even when narrowing my search to USA news.

It did come up yesterday and I glossed the story
A 37yo woman, 7 months pregnant, was in a car. A liquor store employee was at the car complaining she had shop lifted some booze.
2 police officers approached the car, one standing in front gun drawn, another at the window demanding she get out. Instead she drove into the officer in front who shot once. This may or may not result in riots depending upon which factions see it as a means to an end.

Which brings me back to my questions, which factions in Poland are pumping the story and to what end?

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'E')U,
One needs to think about that for a moment.
WHY is there a lot of news about this in Poland?
Or even IS there a lot of news about this in Poland or is it just the news sources you follow?

I am in Canada and using Ground News this event is not reported.

[noobtube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'E')U,
One needs to think about that for a moment.
WHY is there a lot of news about this in Poland?
Or even IS there a lot of news about this in Poland or is it just the news sources you follow?

I am in Canada and using Ground News this event is not reported.

Switching my VPN to USA it still does not come up, even when narrowing my search to USA news.

It did come up yesterday and I glossed the story
A 37yo woman, 7 months pregnant, was in a car. A liquor store employee was at the car complaining she had shop lifted some booze.
2 police officers approached the car, one standing in front gun drawn, another at the window demanding she get out. Instead she drove into the officer in front who shot once. This may or may not result in riots depending upon which factions see it as a means to an end.

Which brings me back to my questions, which factions in Poland are pumping the story and to what end?

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('noobtube', '
')A pregnant woman, with a child in the car, is shot dead, over a bottle of booze. And, instead of people becoming outraged that a city employee killed someone over it, instead you get rationalizations and excuses why this type of behavior is okay. What 's worse, is people try to blame the victim.

[mousepad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')They are used to do it and government pays them for that. They are also trained to do it. On the top of it victim was black so in minds of officers not a human really.
White lady doing the same would probably be arrested albeit I am not sure.

[Plantagenet]

Mousepad is 100% right.

This poor woman wasn't shot dead over a bottle of booze, as some falsely claim.

This woman resisted arrest and then tried to assault a police officer with her car.

Lets look at all the facts here.

First of all, this woman seems to be engaged in child abuse if she is drinking while pregnant. IF someone in her own family had done the right thing and helped her stop drinking or turned her in for child abuse they would've prevented this whole catastrophe.

Second, this poor woman clearly committed a crime when she stole the bottle of booze.

Then this poor woman committed another crime when she refused to cooperate with the officers. Its quite possible the officers would've given her a warning and told her not to shoplift anymore and let her go if she had cooperated, and if the officers noticed she was drunk or stoned or other drugs then they might have referred her to someone who could help her not abuse her unborn child by drinking alcohol and/or doing drugs while pregnant.

But then after refusing to cooperate the woman physically threatened the police officers with bodily harm by intentionally driving her car directly at one of them. Threatening to kill or maim someone with your car is a serious crime.

The police have a right to defend themselves when they are threatened with injury or death.

Citizens should obey the law....its not a difficult concept.

But in our modern world when a citizen attacks the police the police apparently aren't allowed to defend themselves from injury or death. One has to wonder who in their right mind would ever be a policeman or ever lift a finger to enforce the law if the police aren't allowed to defend themselves when they are attacked?


The police have a right to defend themselves when they are attacked.

Cheers!

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')It's crazy how people think it's ok to resist the police. If you have a problem with an incident, you suck it up first and then you go and file a complaint about it and if need be take it to court. The idea to drive a car into an officer with a drawn weapon and think there's no danger of getting the short end of the stick is amazing. People are really dumber than doorknobs.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')First of all, this woman seems to be engaged in child abuse if she is drinking while pregnant.

[noobtube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'S')ociety out there is largely defunct. To put it right (if possible at all) some degree of violence will be needed.
Drug addicts have to go off streets, immigrants who don't pull their weight have to be expelled home, bankrupt banks closed and manufacturing industry rebuild.
Nevertheless shooting pregnant ladies suspected of stealing of bottle of alcohol is not the way forward. Or shooting running teenagers because they don't stop upon police call which they don't even hear.
Such activities will cause retaliations.
Cities will burn, businesses will get vandalized and at some point police officers and other officials will be hunted down and killed too.
Police no go zones will grow and at some point organized state will cease to function or even exist.

It is rather whole society, not just supply chain what is broken.
I am afraid that at this point it might no longer be possible to *help*.
What is in store is more and more violent society heading towards general collapse.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')et, immigrants keep coming here.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('noobtube', '
')So, the cop was in so much danger that he suffered no injuries and no one was harmed, except the pregnant woman he murdered.

There is the concept of the ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE. In the mind of the psychopath, you can take minor violence (or perceived violence) and turn that into extreme and REAL violence. ... You didn't do what I said, so I can murder you.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('noobtube', ' ')
This kind of ...... violence is perfectly fine....

[noobtube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '
')Entire Western world heads for collapse. There will be different flavors of this collapse in US, EU, Australia and elsewhere but for me it looks like entire social paradigm of West is broken.
Too many contradictions within,
Too many clans hating each other have formed,
Too much debt,
Too much stupidity,
Too much contradicting legislation which no one really understands anymore.
etc.
So let it collapse. Nature must take its course.

[Newfie]

Some very odd thinking going on here.

The police are sworn to serve and protect the public. Job #1.

A person who is exhibiting extremely poor judgement and clearly refusing to obey the law should not be driving around and risking the lives of other citizens. If she is unwilling to roll her window down and speak to police there is no reason to believe she will behave as a good citizen and obey traffic laws.

That she was being accused of stealing alcohol indicates she may have a bad addiction, perhaps she was drunk at the time.

Is the Policeman doing his duty by allowing her to go onto the street and drive around under these conditions? I think not, this could easily turn into a high speed chase which is very dangerous to others.

At the moment the car was stationary and not a danger. One officer went to talk to the lady, the other stood in front of the car to assure she would not take off and become a danger to those he was sworn to protect.

That she then drove into the officer proves she was in no fit state of mind to be driving around. The police officer did what he was sworn to do.

The one person who could have changed this situation at any time was the lady, all she had to do was comply with the Police.


If I am ever stopped by the police while driving I thrn off the radio, roll down the window, and sit with both hands on the too of the wheel. Then when he asks for my license and registration I say the license in my back pocket and the insurance is in the glove box. Can I get it? So he knows what I am about to do, no unexpected moves. And I never argue, if I want to argue I do it in court with the judge.

[theluckycountry]

You must enforce law and order or you have an African jungle. If she'd gotten away with ramming a police officer with a lethal weapon what would she have done tomorrow? It's not like she'd be ignorant of the consequences of her action.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')
California is a shoplifters paradise. First, the state passed a proposition making any theft under $950 a misdemeanor. As if that weren't bad enough, the state's senate passed a bill in June that would actually make it illegal to interfere with shoplifters.

[theluckycountry]

The death of Swedish cities.

How a perfect storm of gangland chaos, segregated youth and a glut of weapons has turned Sweden into Europe's gun homicide capital.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')arely a day goes by in this wealthy Scandinavian country without a shooting or an explosion. In the early 2000s the number of annual gun homicides in the country was in single digits and one of the lowest in Europe. Now Sweden, with a population of just over 10 million, is a country that alongside Croatia has Europe’s highest gun homicide rate. Last year there were a record 391 shootings and 63 people shot to death, alongside 90 explosions involving hand grenades and home-made explosives. Already this year there have been 71 shootings, injuring 19 people and killing 7, as well as 38 explosions.

With rising gang warfare involving guns and explosives on the streets of other seemingly peaceful northern European nations, and innocent bystanders being caught in the crossfire, it’s a part of Europe now facing an existential threat from the kind of gangland executions and creeping corruption many associate with Mexican cartels or the Italian mafia. But unlike Belgium and the Netherlands, whose massive cocaine smuggling ports have turned them into a magnet for violent international crime gangs, Sweden’s bullet-strewn crime wave has seemingly come out of nowhere.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')If I am ever stopped by the police while driving I thrn off the radio, roll down the window, and sit with both hands on the too of the wheel. Then when he asks for my license and registration I say the license in my back pocket and the insurance is in the glove box. Can I get it? So he knows what I am about to do, no unexpected moves. And I never argue, if I want to argue I do it in court with the judge.

[Newfie]

We are not dealing in unspecified suppositions, well at least I am not.

I try to take these instances one at a time and not over generalize.

There was an old TV show popular here in the states called Dragnet. The hero was a dead pan detective, never cracked a smile. But ironic. His tag line, still in use was ….. “Just the facts Mame.”

And that is the way it should be for once you deviate and over generalize then you can spin any kind of wild tale chasing any rabbit down any dam hole you please. It is using structured thinking and logic.

[noobtube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')ome very odd thinking going on here.

The police are sworn to serve and protect the public. Job #1.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')...And that is the way it should be for once you deviate and over generalize then you can spin any kind of wild tale chasing any rabbit down any dam hole you please. It is using structured thinking and logic.