[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s we have seen at least twice before trying to be isolationist/ neutral just postpones the inevitable and greatly increases the final cost in both blood and treasure.

[vtsnowedin]

The only real question about pearl Harbor is why the commanders there were not expecting that attack and ready to defend against it.
The public information alone of our clamping down on exports to Japan of steel and oil should have rung alarm bells in every command post.
Was it just lucky that the carriers were not in port? And no I do not know the answer to that one.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'T')he only real question about pearl Harbor is why the commanders there were not expecting that attack and ready to defend against it.

[AdamB]

$4.79/gal regular unleaded, Farmington New Mexico.

$4.69/gal regular unleaded, Almosa Colorado.

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') Was it just lucky that the carriers were not in port? And no I do not know the answer to that one.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') Was it just lucky that the carriers were not in port? And no I do not know the answer to that one.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't know about WWI origins other than they were weird, but for the US, you want to claim that Japan attacking Pearl Harbor was because the Brits convinced them to? And then Winston flew to Berlin and convinced the little mustache dude to declare war against the US?

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't know about WWI origins other than they were weird, but for the US, you want to claim that Japan attacking Pearl Harbor was because the Brits convinced them to? And then Winston flew to Berlin and convinced the little mustache dude to declare war against the US?

[vtsnowedin]

First to WW1.
It depends on how cynical you are. Some would say the sinking of the Lusitania with American citizens on board and lost was enough.Others would say the U-Boat war on shipping including US war supplies on their way to France was enough, and the cynics would say that America and it's bankers had lent so much capital to Allies that they would lose billions if the Germans won and a defeat would bankrupt much of America.
Probably a combination of all three and My father was surprised when the US and he were dragged into it.
Now WW2:
The war had been going on for two years in Europe and mostly going badly for the Allies and we were shipping them as much war material as we could given strong anti war sentiment here. Hitler had invaded the Soviet Union in late June so Stalin became one of our allies. Churchill was begging us for more weapons daily just like Zeleniski is today and we were shipping them through U-Boat infested waters to both England and Russia. .
Japan had been in Manchuria for quite a while and their ambitions were pretty well known including the oil in Indonesia and the mineral wealth of Australia. Our Philippines bases were in their way.
The cynic side of me says our Embargo of oil and steel among other things in 1940 pushed Japan to the attack.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')merica, first under President Herbert Hoover and then Franklin D. Roosevelt initially responded with diplomatic protests. When they failed to curb Japanese aggression, Roosevelt upped the ante. In 1938, the State Department advised banks at home and abroad not to extend credit to Japanese businesses. In 1939, the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty between the United States and Japan. This led to an American embargo initially of airplanes, parts, machine tools, and aviation gasoline. The embargo was expanded in 1940 to include oil, iron and steel scrap, and other commodities. Sharing America’s concerns, Great Britain and the Netherlands joined in the economic embargo.

[JuanP]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')The cynic side of me says our embargo of oil and steel among other things in 1940 pushed Japan to the attack.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JuanP', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')The cynic side of me says our embargo of oil and steel among other things in 1940 pushed Japan to the attack.

[vtsnowedin]

Churchill had war thrust on him by Hitler and if there is any British cause to the war it goes back to the treaty ending WW1 which impoverished the German people and built up levels of hatred that allowed Hitlers rise.
Once the war started in 1939 Churchill of course called in all the aid it could from colonies and the former colony of the USA which had far greater resources and industrial capacity then the UK or France.
ON Japans side one can look back to TR's great white fleet cruise around the Pacific where he emboldened Japan to be come expansionist.
So the seeds of war were planted some twenty five years earlier and it took that long to raise up a generation of new soldiers and fit out navies and armies.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'C')hurchill had war thrust on him by Hitler and if there is any British cause to the war it goes back to the treaty ending WW1 which impoverished the German people and built up levels of hatred that allowed Hitlers rise.

[AdamB]

Lowest local prices after recent late night run for the wife to collect a collectible.

$376/gal, regular unleaded, grocery store gas price

[AdamB]

Gasoline At (or Under) $2.99 a Gallon: Here's Where

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[AdamB]

The Status of Global Oil Production (Part 3)
By Roger Blanchard, originally published by Resilience.org
August 16, 2022

Link

[AdamB]

Local price of regular unleaded as of yesterday was down to $3.09/gal

Looks like Sleepy Joe's war on the oil industry is failing, if prices are returning this quiclly down to more normal.

Link.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')U.S. gas prices are now at their lowest level since Russia invaded Ukraine in February, sending prices soaring.
But at $3.61, it's still the highest price ever recorded for the week of Thanksgiving by AAA.
Blame inflation.
“The national average has fallen sharply since the June peak of nearly $5.02,” AAA spokesman Andrew Gross said in a statement. “But this Thanksgiving will be about 20 cents higher than a year ago, and a dollar more per gallon than a pre-pandemic 2019."

[vtsnowedin]

B S as the local station here is charging $4.00 to keep the doors open. Not a small station either as they have six double sided gas pumps and two diesel pumps. I just bought beer and wine.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'B') S as the local station here is charging $4.00 to keep the doors open.

[ROCKMAN]

Just a reminder that inflation adjusted price of motor fuel should be the focus...not just current prices.

https://www.in2013dollars.com/Gasoline-(all-types)/price-inflation