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Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Sun 08 Aug 2021, 11:53:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'N')ew normal. Something has changed in the psyche.

New normal as long as the virus persists at a dangerous level and traveling is more of a hassle and risk.

Given how few people (under 10%, STILL, despite what's happening) I see paying ANY attention to the CDC and WHO public indoor space mask recommendations (employees OR customers), I'm actually surprised airlines aren't getting more back to normal.

Maybe people are willing to take X risk in their everyday lives, but not 10X (or whatever) from flying?

The good news is that as long as it lasts, it's a net positive for AGW. The bad news is that it appears that not only is Covid-19 a long term "thing", but with the variants, it's a long term IN OUR FACE thing, which will interfere with the quality of life, whether anti-vaxxers, etc. wake up to that or not.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby JuanP » Sun 05 Sep 2021, 19:04:09

"Italy’s Biggest Airline Ends Its Operations From October 15 Due to Financial & Coronavirus Crisis"
https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/italys-biggest-airline-ends-its-operations-from-october-15-due-to-financial-coronavirus-crisis/

“Alitalia is terminating its activity due to the lack of investment. In addition, the company was put under public administration in 2017, while the pandemic situation worsened the situation even more.”

"Philippine Airlines files for bankruptcy"
https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/ ... bankruptcy

"Philippine Airlines, Asia’s oldest carrier, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the United States to pursue a lender-backed restructuring plan…"

"The Airline Failures and Bankruptcies So Far in the Pandemic"
https://skift.com/2021/09/04/the-airlin ... -pandemic/

"The bankruptcy filing Friday by Philippine Airlines is the latest aviation casualty of the pandemic.

Skift has compiled a list below to show you the extent of the damage. Certainly, some airlines chose the cover of the pandemic to decide to cease operations, or restructure, even though financial challenges existed long before the world knew what Covid was.

The $74 billion in aid delivered to U.S. airlines clearly helped those carriers escape their worst fates, but the threats remain deep into the pandemic as the spread and fear of the Delta variant slowed air travel in late summer and perhaps into early fall."

Flybe (UK) Files for Bankruptcy 3/2020
Trans States (U.S.) Ceased Operations 4/2020
Compass (U.S.) Ceased Operations 4/2020
CityJet (Ireland) Files for Bankruptcy 4/2020
Virgin Australia Files for Bankruptcy 4/2020
Air Mauritius Files for Bankruptcy 4/2020
Avianca (Colombia) Files for Bankruptcy 5/2020
Thai Airways Files for Bankruptcy 9/2020
TAME (Ecuador) Liquidation 5/2020
LATAM (Chile) Files for Bankruptcy 5/2020
SunExpress (Deutschland) Announces Ceasing Operations 6/2020
One Airlines (Chile) Ceased Operations 6/2020
NokScoot (Thailand) Ceases Operations 6/2020
LIAT (Antigua) Ceases Operations 6/2020
Jet Time (Denmark) Files for Bankruptcy 7/2020
Virgin Atlantic (UK) Files for Bankruptcy 8/2020
AirAsia (Japan) Ceases Operations 10/2020
Cathay Dragon (Hong Kong) Ceases Operations 10/2020
Ravn Air (U.S.) Files for Bankruptcy 10/2020
Norwegian Air Files for Bankruptcy 11/2020
InterJet (Mexico) Files for Bankruptcy 4/2021
Philippine Airlines Files for Bankruptcy 9/2021
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Thread (merged)

Unread postby Subjectivist » Wed 22 Sep 2021, 15:17:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'I')sland Air Bankruptcy, regional Hawaiian airline.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a surprise twist to the Island Air bankruptcy case, the trustee overseeing the liquidation filed a last-minute motion this morning disclosing that Hawaiian Airlines’ parent company has agreed to purchase the operating certificate and other assets of the failed company for $750,000.

Hawaiian Holdings Inc. said it would buy the operating certificate for $450,000 and immediately provide cash advances to pay for Chapter 7 administrative expenses. Hawaiian said it would buy other assets, such as ground-service equipment, furniture and frequent-flier lists, for $300,000.

Bankruptcy Judge Robert Faris said he was prepared to grant the motion to dismiss the case until the trustee came through with the surprise buyer. Faris gave preliminary approval to the sale. A hearing on the sale is set for Jan. 5.

Hawaiian spokesman Alex Da Silva said the decision to buy the operating certificate was a way to bring in-house the company’s turboprop airline, ‘Ohana by Hawaiian, rather than outsource the contract as it is now to Idaho-based Empire Airlines.

Da Silva said the state’s largest carrier formed a new wholly-owned subsidiary, Elliott Street Holdings, to purchase the stock of Island Air and assume ownership of Island Air’s Federal Aviation Administration operating certificate as well as other assets. ‘Ohana by Hawaiian, which launched service in March 2014 and now has three 48-seat ATR-42s, flies between Honolulu and Molokai, Honolulu and Lanai, Kahului and Kona, Kahului and Molokai, Kahului and Hilo and Lanai and Molokai.

“If approved, the sale will allow ‘Ohana by Hawaiian to assume oversight of operations currently provided under contract by Empire Airlines,” Da Silva said. “Those operations would include the hiring of pilots, flights attendants, and customer service and maintenance crews (who now are all Empire employees). We believe that assuming the FAA certificate will greatly benefit our guests by improving the efficiency and reliability of ‘Ohana by Hawaiian.”

If the sale is approved, then the trustee’s attorney, Simon Klevansky, said he would reconvert the case to a Chapter 11 reorganization bankruptcy and Hawaiian would buy new shares of what essentially would be a shell company.

Klevansky said the trustee is still working on trying to enable the more than 400 Island Air employees to gain access to their 401(k) retirement accounts.

Island Air filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Oct. 16 and ceased operations on Nov. 10. It converted the case to Chapter 7 on Nov. 15.


Hawaiian Air Assets Sold


This seems like the most logical place for this news.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Guy Noris', '[')size=200]Regional Turboprops Offer Growth For Bevy Of Technologies | Aviation Week Network[/size]

Credit: GE Aviation

For its future turboprop engines, GE Aviation may ultimately combine technologies evaluated in its RISE Open Fan program—jointly conducted with CFM partner Safran—with hybrid-electric capabilities also under development. An early example of this technology included a 2016 demonstration of a megawatt-class, high-power-density and high-efficiency electrical motor/generator driving an 11-ft.-dia. propeller on a test stand at the company’s Peebles Test Operation in Ohio.

Representing an early opportunity for the application of lower emissions hybrid-electric and fuel-cell propulsion systems, the regional turboprop market is now the focus for a growing number of innovative technology programs. Some operators and manufacturers are signing up for conversions of turboprops to hydrogen-electric power trains, while others are waiting to see results from several hybrid-electric turboprop demonstrator programs now getting underway.

Guy is a Senior Editor for Aviation Week, based in Colorado Springs. Before joining Aviation Week in 2007, Guy was with Flight International, first as technical editor based in the U.K. and most recently as U.S. West Coast editor. Before joining Flight, he was London correspondent for Interavia, part of Jane's Information Group.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Thu 21 Jul 2022, 16:20:47

American Airlines is in trouble, a couple significant graphs are at the link below the quote.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Will American Airlines Survive The Next Recession?

I'll start by saying I like American Airlines (NASDAQ:AAL). Sure, the seat rows seem to have magically gotten closer together over the years, and post-COVID flying has not been the same experience. But I've also received unexpected kindness from gate agents, ticket counter agents, and flight attendants across America. As much as people complain about airline customer service, as a frequent AAL customer, I can say that I've been pleasantly surprised on several occasions, especially when something initially goes wrong. Since April, alcohol service is back and masks are optional! The world is getting back to normal. But during the pandemic, major airlines lost billions of dollars. Thanks to the quantitative easing policies of the Federal Reserve, American Airlines was able to borrow tens of billions of dollars that it needed to continue operating. But now, as the Fed pulls its blanket support from the bond market, there are questions about whether American Airlines will be able to continue refinancing its debt at viable interest rates. The stock has held its own as consumers continue to spend on summer travel. But winter is coming.

American Airlines' Debt Load

One basic test for whether a stock is a viable investment is to compare the total assets of a company with the total liabilities. If a company has liabilities exceeding its assets, then the company is considered insolvent. As of their last quarterly report, American Airlines has roughly $76.3 billion in liabilities and $67.4 billion in assets.

This isn't always a deal-breaker as sometimes companies will have unusual amounts of depreciation that cause them to hold assets on their books for less than their economic value. But when I checked peers Delta (DAL), United (UAL), and Southwest, (LUV), American is the only airline with a negative net worth. I checked smaller peers Spirit Airlines (SAVE) and JetBlue (JBLU) as well and they're considered solvent. It's pretty clear from comparing American to competitors that they're in the weakest financial position of the major airlines. The credit rating agencies agree, rating AAL's debt at B-.

This doesn't mean in itself that American is done for, but what it means is that the company needs to earn its way out of the hole that they're in. This quarter, they'll be OK with COVID revenge travel in full swing. But after the summer is over, it's not clear if business demand and off-season demand will continue to be strong in the absence of continued government stimulus. Additionally, American needs to be able to refinance the debt that they do have.

This is from their most recent 10-Q, showing their principal and interest obligations, lease obligations, aircraft purchase obligations, and other stuff that isn't as talked about like pension and medical obligations.

The idea here is that credit spreads on junk bonds are widening, and rates are rising as well. So when AAL goes to refinance all of this debt, they're going to be paying more interest because they're in a weak financial position and the Fed/Treasury is no longer backstopping debt the way it was.

There's a path for American to turn this around, but they need everything to go right. The path to success for American Airlines is pretty simple. They need demand to stay strong while supply pressures like fuel ease. Additionally, they need the capital markets to stay easy enough for them to refinance their debt. It feels like betting on a parlay with the risks they face. Analysts expect AAL to lose $1.15 for 2022, but make $1.94 in 2023.
Operational Risks

There are many risks to AAL's return to full-year 2023 profitability.
Fuel Costs

On page 44 of their 10-Q, American notes that they don't have any fuel hedging in place. Delta actually owns an oil refinery in Pennsylvania (this makes DAL look really smart). I don't think airlines should generally hedge fuel, as they don't have a great track record of making money at it, but what this means is that American likely needs oil prices to go down to see their margins expand. If fuel keeps going higher, then it's much less likely that AAL can make what they need to dig out of their debt load.
Labor Costs

The general position of the pilots union is that the airlines' debt isn't their problem, and if they want to continue to use the union, then they need to pay in line with cost of living increases. American offered a 17% pay raise to pilots, and as far as I know, they have yet to reach a deal. AAL's margins are already thin, so a 17% pay raise for pilots over the next two years is not going to help the stock.
Pandemic Risk

AAL is among the stocks most exposed to a new variant or resurgence in the pandemic. COVID deaths are chugging along in the US at roughly the same pace that they were in the summer of 2021, so if this winter ends up being like last winter with more mask mandates and regulations, then pleasure travel is not likely to hold up.
Recession Risk

So far, the story with airlines is that business travel still hasn't recovered, but pleasure travel has. Delta's CEO expressed confidence in business travel returning, but this is by no means a sure thing. If we continue sliding into a recession, my guess is that pleasure travel will drop, while business travel stays somewhat low. Healthy airlines normally can survive recessions because input costs like fuel drop. The worst-case scenario for airlines is if a recession happens, but oil prices stay high (i.e., stagflation).
Will American Airlines Survive A Recession?

It's not clear at this point whether American Airlines would be able to survive a recession. AAL's ability to survive a recession would depend on how deep the recession is, how wide credit spreads go, and how it affects air travel. These would affect AAL's ability to refinance its debt. The debt load doesn't leave much margin for error, as the company is at the mercy of credit markets. A ray of hope: The news on the bonds has been good lately, as both the secured and unsecured bonds have been trading higher for AAL. My educated guess based on the credit rating, balance sheet, and junk bond yields is that if we enter a recession, American Airlines likely will be forced to massively dilute shareholders, and has a 50% chance or higher of bankruptcy. Of course, selling a ton of stock into a weak market could save the company from its debt, but it likely drives the share price to well under $5 per share.

To be clear, AAL is in a lot of distress. If I owned any stock in AAL, I would swap it for the bonds, as I think that the equity in the company probably isn't worth much with the book value so deeply negative. $0 is a distinct possibility. It's possible for AAL to earn their way out, but the risk-reward on the common equity is quite weak in my opinion. I actually believe buying LEAP puts on stocks like American is a useful hedge for investors, not because I have a personal grudge against airlines, but because they're heavily indebted and very sensitive to the state of the economy. A well-known asset pricing anomaly is that the junk-rated debt of companies has a far better risk-adjusted return than the corresponding equity. The bond market is much more rational than the stock market when it comes to companies like airlines, which is why I would consider investing in airline bonds rather than airline stocks. In many cases, unsecured bonds pay 10% or more in interest.

We'll find out more about the company's prospects when the company reports earnings this week. AAL earnings will provide a window into consumer spending on travel and on the direction of the broader economy. For the quarter, analysts expect AAL to earn $0.75, before returning to losses this winter.
Bottom Line

American Airlines is set to report earnings this week, but the real test is how they do over the next few years. With a brutal debt load, the company needs everything to go right to get out of the danger zone. I believe AAL has a roughly 50% chance of going bankrupt if the US economy slides into recession and an 80%-90% chance of having to heavily dilute shareholders. While there is a path to turn the company around, it's narrow and fraught with risks. For these reasons, I'd sell AAL stock and consider moving your investment into the bonds if you believe in the company.


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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby jato0072 » Thu 21 Jul 2022, 23:28:32

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I thought this chart was interesting. (Click for entire image)
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby Tanada » Fri 22 Jul 2022, 09:41:00

Interesting chart but it stops mid 2021 before crude prices really took off back up to the 2010-2014 levels and above. Delta Airlines has some advantage in that they purchased their own oil refinery a decade ago so they get their jet fuel at cost and make a profit on the sale of products the airline doesn't consume like asphalt, petroleum coke and gasoline.

For Northwest, United and other carriers the sharp increase in fuel costs has a huge impact. Back when oil first settled in the $100/bbl+ range for the early 2010's a significant number of airlines merged or went outright bankrupt. I think this warning article on Northwest is just the precursor to another round of bankruptcies and mergers over the next 5 years or longer.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby Doly » Fri 22 Jul 2022, 13:11:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aybe people are willing to take X risk in their everyday lives, but not 10X (or whatever) from flying?


I don't think that it's about risk perception, so much as it is about a lot of flying happening for business reasons. A couple of years of business flights not happening made a lot of people realise how many of their business flights weren't needed at all.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he bad news is that it appears that not only is Covid-19 a long term "thing", but with the variants, it's a long term IN OUR FACE thing, which will interfere with the quality of life, whether anti-vaxxers, etc. wake up to that or not.


Most people aren't thinking about covid at all these days, except a few conspiracy nutters. So it hasn't been a long term thing at all. The main worry is that the anti-vax attitude could persist long-term.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby jato0072 » Fri 22 Jul 2022, 14:30:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he main worry is that the anti-vax attitude could persist long-term


Don't worry. After the events of the last 2 years, the anti-vax attitude will persist for a very, very long time. At least in my geographical area. YMMV.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 18:37:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '
')Most people aren't thinking about covid at all these days, except a few conspiracy nutters. So it hasn't been a long term thing at all. The main worry is that the anti-vax attitude could persist long-term.


Well now they are, now that the truth is coming out about the efficacy of the vaccinations. At the highest levels of Government too.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 18:56:06

In other airline news, the initial reports out about the Indian Boeing Dreamliner (nightmareliner for them) crash has pointed to the plane's automatic systems not applying enough thrust at takeoff.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..Here's more from Bloomberg's conversation with the aviation expert:

That could stem from a misconfiguration of the plane prior to takeoff or erroneous weight data entered into the plane's computer system that determines how much power is needed to get off the ground, he said. Mann cautioned that his views were unofficial and not corroborated by data or cockpit voice recorders, which have yet to be recovered from the site. "If the programed weight is high compared to the actual number, you end up with a very aggressive takeoff," Mann said. "If the input weight is low compared to the actual weight, you end up with not enough commanded power."

In another interview, Jeff Guzzetti, former accident investigation chief at the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, told the outlet that the 787's landing gear was never retracted—an unusual sign that something went wrong immediately after takeoff.
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A.I. computers in charge of the plane (garbage in Garbage out) If this was indeed the cause it would have been easily fixed by a human pilot, he would have sensed the lack of power needed for the takeoff and either pushed the throttles to their stops or aborted. Why a computer couldn't do that is a mystery? After all it's just measuring runway acceleration compared to how much runway is left.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')ransAsia Airways Flight 235
On 4 February 2015, shortly after take-off, a fault in the autofeather unit of the number-2 engine caused the automatic take-off power control system to autofeather that engine.


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I've had enough dealings with windows laptops and smartphones to know not to trust computers with my life :lol:

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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 13 Jun 2025, 20:12:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')In another interview, Jeff Guzzetti, former accident investigation chief at the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, told the outlet that the 787's landing gear was never retracted—an unusual sign that something went wrong immediately after takeoff.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sat 14 Jun 2025, 04:04:43

Yes, Airbus is a French company. While it's a European multinational aerospace corporation, it has strong ties to France, with its headquarters located in Blagnac, France, near Toulouse. Furthermore, a significant portion of its production and assembly lines are based in France

Boeing? American... Just another company living on past glories.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 14 Jun 2025, 14:53:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Boeing? American... Just another company living on past glories.


Aircraft built in Australia.

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This one is built by Boeing.

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It is the C17 Globe master, one of those kinds of planes that isn't like Australian planes, and can probably carry a couple dozen Australian planes in its cargo hold. Or alternatively, carry like 300 folks if need be. So a single one of these "past glory" planes who evacuate every Australia in the country with an above average IQ.

You of course would be left behind, not because of your even lower than 100 IQ, but because your normal job is very important for the rest of the world.

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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Sun 15 Jun 2025, 19:46:04

Airbus Beats Boeing for Deliveries in 2024
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1') Jan 2025 — Airbus has delivered 643 aircraft, a small increase of 20 (623) compared to 2023. This leaves Boeing 143 deliveries behind its rival


Being a small population and primarily a resource exporter Australia never ventured into building commercial aircraft. It would be like Singapore building them, no sense. Even Japan, that now has a rocket program bigger than NASA's never bothered, they went with ships and cars and the best motorcycles in the world. Ahhh Japanese motorcycles, I was out half of yesterday on my Hayabusa. Amazing bikes, such power, such agility, such 21st century perfection. Compared to them any Harley is like a 1950's motorcycle. Which of course is exactly what they are :lol:

America certainly led the way for many decades but decade by decade they have been left behind in all these areas. Most of what goes into their cars even is made in China now. It's better to never have left the sidewalk than to have climbed to the 10th floor only to fall back all that way. That's where all that business about the Apollo landing being faked comes from you know? 20 million people who can't accept the fact their nation has fallen so far so they make up a story about how it never happened. If it never happened, then they have never fallen from grace you see.

It was a happy happy day when we binned our two car manufacturers, after all they were just Ford-American, and General Motors Holden-GM. We just kicked out the American inspired junk in favor of much better imported Japanese product. No shame in importing stuff, that is unless you don't have something to exchange and have to rely of debt instead... America is going down the tubes at a fast rate of knots. Russia and China is eating their lunch now.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 15 Jun 2025, 20:12:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Being a small population and primarily a resource exporter Australia never ventured into building commercial aircraft.

Being a small population (descendant from criminals across the Empire) and primarily a mining colony for....everyone else....Australia never ventured into birthing citizens that are known for winning many Nobel Prizes.

Best country in the world for them? America. 142. Australia? 14

Which is why America has C17 Globemaster aircraft...and Australia can't build aircraft.....let alone Ferris Wheels.

Stick with what you know Lucky.

Americans don't want any of those straight bananas. Now get back to work with the rest of the non Nobel Prize winning locals...FIrst Worlders don't want those straight bananas, and no one has figured out how to teach the kangaroos to do your work for you yet.

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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 16 Jun 2025, 07:57:26

You know why your country is going down the tubes adam, why your politicians are getting shot in the street like in some backwoods African nation? It's because of degenerate old white men like you. You should be out leading your nation but you sit on your arse munching Cheetos while you watch it's decline on the TV set. No hope, no hope. Trump didn't come from Mars, he came for good ol White boy American stock. He's you, and you are Trump.

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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 16 Jun 2025, 12:46:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou know why your country is going down the tubes adam, why your politicians are getting shot in the street like in some backwoods African nation?


You, being uneducated and slack jawed silly, really don't get America. You, being slack jawed and silly, never will.

Stay on your knees Lucky...no need to get cranky about your nations presence as the stain on your King's underwear.

But you better keep bending those bananas! Because if you don't the US might send in a platoon of Marines to take your country away from your King, round up all the uneducated and slack jawed like you and your neighbors and make darn sure you do the only thing that you are good at!
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 17 Jun 2025, 04:48:48

dumbarse Boeing flight computers may have caused the crash. Global warming also a possible factor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmJgGcoiWc
Only an idiot would trust a computer with their life.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 17 Jun 2025, 08:12:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')Global warming also a possible factor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmJgGcoiWc
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Re: Airline Bankruptcy / Merger / Layoffs Pt. 2

Unread postby AgentR11 » Tue 17 Jun 2025, 16:10:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'O')nly an idiot would trust a computer with their life.


errr, we do that every time we cross an intersection with red/green lights.

Also, pretty much everything tech-wise in a hospital is computerized. Heck, even my little blood pressure and blood sugar meters are computerized devices (though not critical for life).
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