[Pops]

I saw a vid of this guy on ByouBtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLr0GStrnwQ
https://fortune.com/2021/09/14/tesla-co ... materials/

[kublikhan]

Nice find Pops. For those who don't want to read the whole article, here's a few highlights:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the decades to come, Straubel is confident that recycled materials will be used for “close to 100%” of the world’s battery production. Recycling is already profitable, he said, and eventually companies that don’t integrate recycling with refining and production won’t be able to compete on cost.

Redwood moving into cathode production is a major development for the EV industry, according to BNEF analyst James Frith. Not only is the cathode the biggest driver of costs, but it’s the most polluting part of battery production. Consolidating the supply chain in the U.S. — and the technological improvements that will come with it — will dramatically reduce emissions from battery production. “It would be one of the biggest cathode facilities in the world,” Frith said. “If you’re getting rid of that long supply chain, and you’re not having to do as much virgin refining, you’re cutting a huge chunk out of those emissions.”

While companies wait for the first big wave of electric vehicles to reach retirement, consumer electronics provide a surprisingly effective substitute. For example, batteries from consumer electronics contain considerably higher levels of cobalt, one of the most expensive and controversial inputs for batteries. Straubel says there's so much cobalt in old electronics, Redwood will always produce more from recycling than it needs for manufacturing.

Urban Mining
When anyone drops off an old mobile phone or laptop at a Best Buy recycling center, it goes to Redwood. So does any scrap when Panasonic makes battery cells for Tesla at the Nevada Gigafactory. Since Straubel left Tesla, Redwood has taken over more than half of the U.S. market for lithium-ion battery recycling.

After collection, Redwood disassembles, shreds, burns, and mixes materials in a slurry to separate out the valuable nickel, lithium, cobalt and copper. More than 95% of the core battery materials are recycled, according to Redwood. The resulting powders then wind their way back through the supply chain.

[Newfie]

Re: recyclable batteries.

Can’t recall if I posted this before or not. Fun video.

https://youtu.be/afwO_MZjRjA

[theluckycountry]

There is really nothing to add to the limits to growth, it was thrashed out perfectly in the 1970's and that work is right on track. Anyone still looking for a solution to the collapse of industrial civilization needs to go start a veggie garden in their back yard, or otherwise find something useful to do with their spare time.

[Newfie]

Survival strategies have been discussed but not tested in real world collapse.

[Newfie]

Proposed NC wind farms.

https://loosecannon.substack.com/p/caro ... dium=email

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'P')roposed NC wind farms.

https://loosecannon.substack.com/p/caro ... dium=email

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')urvival strategies have been discussed but not tested in real world collapse.

[Newfie]

We are kinda living our survival strategy. Obviously not full but still pretty close.

We are having fun.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')urvival strategies have been discussed but not tested in real world collapse.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')Do you think you could do as well under similar distress?

[theluckycountry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')urvival strategies have been discussed but not tested in real world collapse.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oly has made it through 6 actual and claimed peak oils this century, like the rest of us!

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')oly has made it through 6 actual and claimed peak oils this century, like the rest of us!

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ndeed. Which begs the question, why isn't that one claimed, rather than all the others?

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ndeed. Which begs the question, why isn't that one claimed, rather than all the others?

[eclipse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'T')here is really nothing to add to the limits to growth, it was thrashed out perfectly in the 1970's and that work is right on track. Anyone still looking for a solution to the collapse of industrial civilization needs to go start a veggie garden in their back yard, or otherwise find something useful to do with their spare time.

[eclipse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', ' ')Do you think you could do as well under similar distress?

[mousepad]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eclipse', '
')We've been through a bit, including watching oil demand just drop off a cliff during the pandemic.

[eclipse]

Sure it was a bit of a speed-bump, but being flippant about the size of that speed-bump is a bit rubbish. First, it was 20%! The doomer loves to crow about how society will collapse if there isn't ever increasing oil supply to meet the ever growing population and ever growing consumption patterns of the ever growing debt bubble that is the modern debt-based money system. But Covid showed that society can actually function for a while on drastically lower oil demand. Things change, always have and always will. Oil will not remain king as renewables get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper, and radical new storage technologies kick in. (And the world is just not as simple as that 'ever-growing' doomer mantra above.)

But, onto the data about what actually happened.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')etroleum’s pre-eminence as a land, air, and marine transport fuel is seeing oil consumption drop the most of all primary energy sources amid the global economic downturn that started this year. The unprecedented collapse in worldwide mobility as a result of lockdowns and travel restrictions in March and April 2020 slashed oil demand by over 20 million b/d, or 20% of total demand. We expect global oil demand for 2020 as a whole to decline by 8.1 million b/d, wiping out six years of growth. We expect about 75% or 6.3 million b/d of demand to come back in 2021.