[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'S')o, Newfie, no comment on Liz Cheney?

Liz Cheney Helped Create Donald Trump’s GOP
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/liz-cheney-republican-party-create_n_609579c7e4b0f73e530d4b2e

That says volumes of your purpose (and Plant's, too) to stoke doubt on Democrats whilst never having any introspection on Republicans
ON A REPUBLICAN THREAD!

[JuanP]

I never liked Liz Cheney at all, and I hope she leaves public life forever. Her father was one of the most repulsive people I've heard of in my whole life, and that apple fell right under the tree. I was glad to hear she was removed from whatever position this talk is all about. Good riddance! I hope she leaves Washington soon and never goes back.

[dissident]

Looks like there is some pressure to clean the R. Party of the neocon lunatics. Too bad the D. Party is infested with them. Funny how the same rabid political element infiltrated both parties. This indicates that their ideology is not left or right, but something else, that would be total control.

[Newfie]

Dis,
That is pretty much the way I see it. There are factions on both sides who want single party control, a fight to the death.

Hopefully moderates can pull their respective parties back.

[vtsnowedin]

I see ousting Liz Cheney as a big mistake for the party and for the country. Her sin was speaking the truth and the voice vote to push her out defines the Republicans in the house as a radical group of lie believers and idiots with out an ounce of honor or integrity between them.
I think those house members are misreading the polls, thinking they have to support Trump to win next year, and I think rank and file Republican voters are much less in Trumps camp. Many of them held their noses last year and voted for Trump as the only way to vote against Pelosi and Schumer. That does not mean they are for Trump going forward and the sooner the party gets away from Trump the better off the party and the country will be.
At the moment they don't seem to have a good enough grasp on reality to see the error in this weeks action and change course.
I hope that changes over the summer.

[Newfie]

One can only hope. I ro see more support for Trump among the rank and file than I suspected. But as you say my sense is that it is mostly due to the Pelozi and squad factions, which seem reviled. They have sacred the R’s quite a bit.

I am thinking of a couple of guys here. Trump supporters. But in their actions they are very moderate. When you talk about issues they are very moderate. But bring up the pol operatives and then their hair stands up.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I') see ousting Liz Cheney as a big mistake for the party and for the country. Her sin was speaking the truth.....

[JuanP]

I wish we could get rid of trump! He does make me laugh a lot, but I would love it if both the Republicans and the Democrats had better leaders. The quality of today's American political leaders leaves a lot to be desired. Like I've said many times, my preferred presidential candidate in the 2020 was Tulsi Gabbard, and look what happened to her. I am afraid that the American political system is corrupt to the marrow and it's too late to try to fix it. I expect things to continue getting worse in the world, in general, and the USA, in particular, for the rest of my life.

I hope Ibom is correct and I am wrong about what the younger generations can achieve, but I don't see it, and the gods know how hard I try. I would love to believe that the Millennials or Gen Z crowd will fix anything, but I believe they won't be provided with an opportunity to try. It is already decades too late.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'O')ne can only hope. I ro see more support for Trump among the rank and file than I suspected. But as you say my sense is that it is mostly due to the Pelozi and squad factions, which seem reviled. They have sacred the R’s quite a bit.

I am thinking of a couple of guys here. Trump supporters. But in their actions they are very moderate. When you talk about issues they are very moderate. But bring up the pol operatives and then their hair stands up.

[Newfie]

Out,

It is inconceivable to me that the R’s would run Trump yet again.

Then again it was inconceivable to me that they ran him in the first place or that he won. I can layoff his winning to his despicable opponent, I can not fathom how he one the nomination.

So, I guess anything is possible.

Maybe something good is also possible?

[vtsnowedin]

Considering how much stupidity has come down from both sides, in say the last ten years, I can't predict a period of less stupidity and actual reason.
Both sides seem bent on a course that insures their parties destruction at the same time causing the country to undergo major harm.
I will say this: Even though I am not with her on all issues if Liz Cheney announces a run for president in 2024 I will send her campaign a donation within legal limits ASAP.
She and perhaps Romney are the only Republicans (maybe a couple of others)who have shown the integrity and honesty that we really need going forward.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')Unless the Dems. are stupid enough to run, say, HRC or Sanders as their candidate in 2024 (or equivalent -- WHAT a nightmare).

[jedrider]

Liz versus Kamala? Who are the prospective candidates for R's presidential aspirations in 2024?

Maybe, that will depend upon whether Trumpers and Tea Partiers gain more traction in 2022.

It's kind of ridiculous how our government yanks itself back and forth between R's and D's, without any common consensus.

The Democrats have just one focus now: It's the ECONOMY stupid, and they know that.

Are the R's still going to be tooting Pro-Life/Pro-Gun/Anti-Gay? That's going to get old.

[vtsnowedin]

I think Liz vs. Kamela is a win for Liz.

[vtsnowedin]

Here is a thought that really just hit me this hour.
Suppose instead of a few small state primaries having undue influence on the outcome there were nationwide primaries say a month apart where every voter got to rate the contenders top to bottom.
You could start with the top ten contenders moving on, then cut it to six a month later and so on to a final choice by round five.
This would give every voter( not just the voters in frostbite falls farmland) five chances to have their opinion heard as the campaigns progress.
Living where I do my primary vote has never had any influence on the outcome. This would make all voters regardless of location of residence equal.
The present election officials (my wife included) would have conniption fits making this change but would get over it in time.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I') think Liz vs. Kamela is a win for Liz.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', '
')It's kind of ridiculous how our government yanks itself back and forth between R's and D's, without any common consensus..

[aadbrd]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'W')ho are the prospective candidates for R's presidential aspirations in 2024?

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aadbrd', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', 'W')ho are the prospective candidates for R's presidential aspirations in 2024?

[Plantagenet]

Liz Cheney attacks Biden for being weak on defense

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Liz Cheney is triangulating........attacking both Trump AND Biden puts her right in the middle, which is the best place to be in politics


Heres wishing a happy mothers day to Liz Cheney!

Cheers!