[Novus]

Things are as nutty as every in the fantasy world that capitalism. There is a large car dealership in my area offering DOUBLE employee discount. The give the GM or Ford discount plus they are giving away the dealership's employee discount. According to the ad they have 200 SUVs that MUST go.

CompUSA is also offering employee discount for their unsold gizmos as well. It won't be long before this type of thing becomes expected. The sooner all this consumer non-sence ends the better.

[gt1370a]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', '
')CompUSA is also offering employee discount for their unsold gizmos as well. It won't be long before this type of thing becomes expected. The sooner all this consumer non-sence ends the better.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'I') think this is GM tryin to rebuild investor confidence. I remember reading that GM loses like $700 per car that rolls off the assembly line.
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[RiverRat]

At large dealerships, the vast majority of money is made on selling used vehicles and service work.

My cousin is a general manager of a large car dealership. He said point blank that if all they did was sell new cars, they would be out of business in no time flat.

[Trab]

I have a sneaking suspicion that this whole summer sales blowout is more about the big 3 realizing they have a problem and doing whatever they can to move existing product and get it off the car lots and off the books.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the production numbers for model year 2006 and beyond are cut way back. Reduced demand means factories that can be closed down, and workers that can be laid off. It's one way to cut costs...

Demand Destruction, anyone?

[AmericanEmpire]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')eah, even ARBY'S is offering half-price roast beef sandwiches! Is that the definition of deflation or what?

[RdSnt]

To paraphrase the ArcheAngel Gabriel, "They are fucked."

[Eli]

Come and get your SUV fast so you can pay 4.00 dollars a gallon to fill it up and drive it to the job you no longer have.

How many vehicles do they sell that get good gas millage?

They are well and truly screwed and they know it. Or I should say we are.

[Ironmike]

I watched an interview with a GM vice-president on Bloomberg the other day when GM announced their earnings for the quarter. He was asked how much the "employee pricing" was affecting his company's bottom line. He stated that their "marketing expenses" were unchanged. This means that this is all a marketing gimmick and they are not selling their vehicles for any less now. They are just selling more of them due to the gullibilty of the car buying public. 1st post I think

[I_Like_Plants]

I'm sure glad I got rid of my SUV, shouldn't have bought it in the first place of course but that's another story.

[Ghog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ironmike', 'I') watched an interview with a GM vice-president on Bloomberg the other day when GM announced their earnings for the quarter. He was asked how much the "employee pricing" was affecting his company's bottom line. He stated that their "marketing expenses" were unchanged. This means that this is all a marketing gimmick and they are not selling their vehicles for any less now. They are just selling more of them due to the gullibilty of the car buying public. 1st post I think

[MD]

GM can only play the "employee discount" card once. They just cashed in on a perception that goes back many years. Around here there has always been an underlying envy for the GM worker that got these wonderful discounts. I can't imagine where GM will come up with the next marketing gimmick.

It's time for cars to go away. The sooner the better. Game over.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '.')........
I can't imagine where GM will come up with the next marketing gimmick.
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[jdmartin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '.')........
I can't imagine where GM will come up with the next marketing gimmick.
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[spudbuddy]

Let me see if I'm getting this picture clear:

North Americans love SUV's because they're big and solid and make drivers feel safer. (So was the 1954 Ford Monarch.)
They feel safer because multi-lane highways are clogged with too many big honking vehicles to begin with. (burbs outpacing highway arterial infrastructure.)
All these vehicles are driving way too fast for the conditions of the road (congested).
Add to this an ever-increasing number of gigantic rigs...all driving too damned fast. (Wally's rolling warehouse.) Just in time delivery.
Everyone is driving too damned fast because time is money, which supercedes common sense and safe, defensive driving attitudes.
Holding down 2 or 3 McJobs...chauffering and shopping in between.

Sounds pretty warped to me. The very first thing I thought when I found out about peak oil was...why are SUV's still legal? The second thing I thought was what ever happened to 55 and stay alive?
Why not legislation that demands 50mpg minimum?
Why not legislation that slows down traffic?
I don't know the actual stats...how much gas do you save driving NYC to LA at average 55mph....instead of 85mph?
Wouldn't that cut down fuel consumption by about a third?


I think long before we get to the point of whether we're going to drive or not (based on whatever resources are left to us) we should be seriously considering what we drive, how we drive it, and why.
A car culture will never go cold turkey.
Unless our oil economy just literally falls off the table, some form of a weaning process will be necessary.
The better we wean....well, think about it. Lessens the tendency to suck thumbs, soothers, and other pseudo-mammary replacements.

Sometimes in moments of levity...I try to imagine this picture of people all over the world watching North Americans lurch around in giant guzzlers. Do they think we need these things because we're all 400-pound sedentary couch potatoes? (I'm a string bean myself.)
Do they imagine this is some kind of national fixation on size? (read: all the various porno body parts.) Kind of ironic, isn't it?
Big trucks / big houses / big macs / big boobs / not so little red roosters.
Well - our national psyche always did require four square feet of elbow room!

I don't believe that the changes necessary should be left up to corporate planning, design, marketing campaigns, or any other business venture.
All that's what got us in this mess in the first place.
If the first and last priority is a profit motive, business will always grab the cash now and worry about the consequences later. (read: Enron)

So it follows that stiff legislation, unfortunately, will be necessary to save our butts. From the current administration? I doubt it. Hopefully we survive until the next one.

[Denny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '
')
Of course, those top strategists will provide themselves with golden parachutes regardless of the outcome for the rank and file workers.

Another classic american idea: Me first, f**k you.

[Oily_Bill]

Not sure much R&D would be needed - Ford and GM in europe are making cars and vans that can do 30, 40 mpg. Go diesel and the numbers can go up to 50-60 mpg. Would need to re-tool the plants of course... or import the cars from UK/Germany.

How high would gas have to go before Americans were interested though ?

[Ghog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Oily_Bill', 'N')ot sure much R&D would be needed - Ford and GM in europe are making cars and vans that can do 30, 40 mpg. Go diesel and the numbers can go up to 50-60 mpg. Would need to re-tool the plants of course... or import the cars from UK/Germany.

How high would gas have to go before Americans were interested though ?

[shady28]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ghog', '
')I am interested NOW. Problem is demand controls supply. The Toyota Prius is on a 6-8 month waiting list, Honda Accord is just too expensive. We have basically 2 choices for a diesel. Volkswagon (sorry I don't like) and Mercedes (clean diesel, but very expensive). If we could get more selection here and at different price points, I would do it now. At least I don't drive an SUV (a small coupe). I am waiting and hoping for more choices here soon to improve availability and costs.

[Oily_Bill]

In Europe, there are diesel versions of most cars available. Eg I just ordered a new Jaguar (Ford) Xtype, which will get 60 mpg on a run, and 45 around town. These could be shipped to the USA. Some are, but I guess the demand is not there, or more would.