[Newfie]

Trump served out his term. You owe me $100. Unless you intend to welch like Shorty.

[Plantagenet]

Yo COG!

How are you doing? ---- great to see you are OK -----long time no post.

Hope things are going great for you this winter......or at least as great as is possible in our currently pandemic infested, globally warmed, and politically benighted world.



Cheers!

[Newfie]

Glad to see you here.

[Ibon]

He got impeached twice. I would say that is $ 200 dollars. Atonement and contrition on your part Cog realizing the racist that Trump was along with all his supporters should double that amount.

The disregard of his followers to the constitution and murdering policemen at the capitol along with defecating in the hallways should double that amount again.

See that Donation tab on the left hand side of front page. Have at it.


And finally, sorry your sociopath lost!

[Plantagenet]

What exactly were the terms of this friendly wager?

Was the bet on (1) whether or not Trump would serve out his term in office......or (2) whether or not Trump got impeached?

I have a vague memory of reading the terms of this wager when it was made, and to the best of my recollection it was a bet on whether or not Trump would serve out his whole four-year-long term in office.....with Cog betting Trump would make it the end of the his term in office and Ibon betting Trump would be removed from office prior to the end of his term in office.


Ibon and Cog made a friendly wager....now its time for the loser to pay up

Cheers!

[Ibon]

I guess that is true Plant, I did bet that he would be impeached and removed from office, I only got the first part right, and predicted all along that this wager was a long shot on my part. I am more than happy to press that make a donation button on the left column and help along this site which I see as similar to supporting NPR all those years. You can't just free load on your entertainment, you have to be generous at times.
And of course, a friendly wager it was and how could I not honorably pay this after years of ranting about the dishonorable subject of the wager!
haha

In the spirit of that wager there is no doubt I did nail it even though Trump physically did make it to the end of his term. Mentally making it to the end of his term is another matter! I hope Cog's victory offsets a bit his disappointment on Trumps defeat.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')rump served out his term. You owe me $100.

[Newfie]

Ibon and Cog;

I thank you two for this interaction and the contribution that resulted.

Now that the matter is settled I have a question about the words “impeach” and “impeachment” and “impeached”.

In MY use of language I would say “Articles of Impeachment” have been served. So in some sense Trump was then “impeached.”

OTOH the Articles of Impeachment were defeated or not enacted so the “Impeachment” was a failure or he was not found impeachable.

To use some parallel language when talking civil cases someone is “indicted” but then found “guilty” or “not guilty.” This clarity seems missing in the use of impeachment; which can lead to confusion.

I think that is what happened here, confusion over the odd duality in use of “impeached.”

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')bon and Cog;

I thank you two for this interaction and the contribution that resulted.

Now that the matter is settled I have a question about the words “impeach” and “impeachment” and “impeached”.

In MY use of language I would say “Articles of Impeachment” have been served. So in some sense Trump was then “impeached.”

OTOH the Articles of Impeachment were defeated or not enacted so the “Impeachment” was a failure or he was not found impeachable.

To use some parallel language when talking civil cases someone is “indicted” but then found “guilty” or “not guilty.” This clarity seems missing in the use of impeachment; which can lead to confusion.

I think that is what happened here, confusion over the odd duality in use of “impeached.”

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'h')owever the President left office more or less normally

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '.')... of course, a friendly wager it was and how could I not honorably pay this after years of ranting about the dishonorable subject of the wager!
haha ...... I hope Cog's victory offsets a bit his disappointment on Trumps defeat.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')rump served out his term. You owe me $100. Unless you intend to welch like Shorty.

[Cog]

The terms of the wager have not been fulfilled on your part Ibon. If you care to look back on the original wager. The impeachment AND removal from office was what you agreed to. That did not happen. You have welched on the bet as I assumed you would. At no time was a donation to the site discussed as terms of the wager. But like Shorty you played the game but just not the way true gentlemen would settle such things. But I never expected a leftist to keep his word anyway so I'm not out anything.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he terms of the wager have not been fulfilled on your part Ibon. If you care to look back on the original wager. The impeachment AND removal from office was what you agreed to. That did not happen. You have welched on the bet as I assumed you would. At no time was a donation to the site discussed as terms of the wager. But like Shorty you played the game but just not the way true gentlemen would settle such things. But I never expected a leftist to keep his word anyway so I'm not out anything.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')t no time was a donation to the site discussed as terms of the wager.

[AdamB]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he terms of the wager have not been fulfilled on your part Ibon. If you care to look back on the original wager. The impeachment AND removal from office was what you agreed to. That did not happen. You have welched on the bet as I assumed you would. At no time was a donation to the site discussed as terms of the wager. But like Shorty you played the game but just not the way true gentlemen would settle such things. But I never expected a leftist to keep his word anyway so I'm not out anything.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he terms of the wager have not been fulfilled on your part Ibon. If you care to look back on the original wager. The impeachment AND removal from office was what you agreed to. That did not happen. You have welched on the bet as I assumed you would. At no time was a donation to the site discussed as terms of the wager. But like Shorty you played the game but just not the way true gentlemen would settle such things. But I never expected a leftist to keep his word anyway so I'm not out anything.

[JuanP]

Cog, when you proposed a wager about COVID-19 deaths in the USA, saying they would total 60,000 to 80,000 while I said they would exceed 100,000, I didn't accept it because I knew at the time that it was impossible for you to win and accepting your bet wasn't the nice thing to do, particularly since the bet would have been on Americans' deaths.

Now that you've won the bet with Ibon, the nice thing to do is to let it go. You've made your point; it makes no sense to rub it in any further, unless you can prove the terms of the wager are what you claim, which apparently you can't. Right now this is a you say, I say dilemma with neither one of you proving your case.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JuanP', '
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You've made your point; it makes no sense to rub it in any further, unless you can prove the terms of the wager are what you claim, which apparently you can't.

[Cog]

Ibon,

In my time here I've made four money wagers involving GDP during the great recession. I pm'ed the members involved and paid them all. Also made a wager with onlooker which he lost. I communicated with him by PM and took away part of the penalty which was involved in the wager. We dealt with wager like gentlemen. If onlooker is still around he can verify all of this.

At any point you could have pm'ed me and offered to pay the wager. The offer itself I would have appreciated, but in the end I would have let you slide on actually paying it. But you didn't do that. Instead you went a different route.

But I'm ok with all of this now, because its worth the $100 to me for you to reveal your true character. Even those among the left which you call friends, will never trust you are a man of a your word. That is priceless and is why I made the wager to begin with.