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Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby Newfie » Thu 12 Nov 2020, 18:08:47

Two of the smartest people I have ever met were illiterates.

Some of the dumbest have lots of letters behind their names.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby vtsnowedin » Thu 12 Nov 2020, 18:15:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')wo of the smartest people I have ever met were illiterates.

Some of the dumbest have lots of letters behind their names.

Yes and some of them turn to politics.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby dohboi » Thu 12 Nov 2020, 23:25:36

Glad to agree with vt and newf on this one!
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby AdamB » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 00:04:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')wo of the smartest people I have ever met were illiterates.

Some of the dumbest have lots of letters behind their names.


Interesting...I can't say my experience matches yours in the former, but it does in the latter.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 00:40:10

Florida considering passing law to allow business owners to shoot looters

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Normally it would be up to the police or the National Guard to shoot looters, but some local politicians in some cities have been ordering the police to fall back and allow looters and arsonists to rob and destroy businesses.

This bill would grant immunity to business owners who use force to protect their businesses from looters, when the police can't or won't act to protect them.

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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby dohboi » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 08:37:03

Well, it is Florida, after all, famous for its idiocy of all sorts, and particularly its fatally stupid 'stand your ground' law

Here and many other states have 'duty to retreat' laws instead, recognizing that life is worth more than property. Ironic that many people that are for laws that basically encourage citizens to kill other citizens would also consider themselves to be 'pro-life'!
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby vtsnowedin » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 09:03:46

Well if the first guy coming out the broken door or window carrying a flat screen TV is shot dead there will not be a second guy going in. The cops should do it but if they don't then the property owners should have that right. Looting and arson would become a vary rare thing under that rule and that would save a lot of lives and property.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby dohboi » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 09:38:24

Yes, vt, we all know by now that you get all hot and excited at the prospect of killing people over a tv.

You don't have to further prove to us just how creepy you are
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby vtsnowedin » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 10:17:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'Y')es, vt, we all know by now that you get all hot and excited at the prospect of killing people over a tv.

You don't have to further prove to us just how creepy you are

Coming from you I will take that as a compliment.
One further point, if shooting a looter of your store or house shoot them through the TV to establish that he was indeed carrying it out. :badgrin:
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 13:02:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'W')ell if the first guy coming out the broken door or window carrying a flat screen TV is shot dead there will not be a second guy going in. The cops should do it but if they don't then the property owners should have that right. Looting and arson would become a vary rare thing under that rule and that would save a lot of lives and property.


Yes..thats the whole point of having laws.

Its called deterrence.

If the police would arrest the looters and DAs would prosecute them, then there might be a good shot at stopping the looting and arson and riots. But the woke D politicians want to defund the police and the woke D prosecutors won't prosecute people for looting and arson and rioting.

Now in some cities the citizens have realized that they can loot with impunity. It seems like its "any excuse to loot." Even clear cases of the police having no alternative but to use force to defend themselves are quickly used as an excuse for more looting.

Personally, I think the woke Ds are misguided on this.......its poor people who suffer the most when lawless behavior becomes normalized and not prosecuted. The corporations will just go elsewhere when their stores are looted....but some poor black or latinx restaurant owner or shop owner who has his business looted and then burned out is ruined. Its literally destroys his families livelihood.

Something has to be done to restore law and order.

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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby AdamB » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 13:26:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'W')ell, it is Florida, after all, famous for its idiocy of all sorts, and particularly its fatally stupid 'stand your ground' law


I recommend not creating the impression in a legally armed Floridian's mind that you are about to kill or do great bodily harm to them or another, indeed it could be fatally stupid.


F.S. §776.013(3)
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')Here and many other states have 'duty to retreat' laws instead, recognizing that life is worth more than property.


Notice in Florida's law, quoted above, the word "property" isn't in it. More reading and learning stuff for everyone!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dohboi', '
')Ironic that many people that are for laws that basically encourage citizens to kill other citizens would also consider themselves to be 'pro-life'!


Ironic that people would comment on laws they don't even understand because they haven't bothered to read them, and then think everyone who has been trained to legally carry a firearm, is as stupid as they are on the topic!! :o

Do you know that the most polite people I've ever met, in a group, are the other folks on the range? All of us standing around, everyone with a pistol, half with a pistol and a rifle, guns and ammo everywhere!! And not once in the past decade has any of us shot anyone else! Maybe I just live in a really polite state? Or a really blood thirsty one that has forced everyone to be polite, because we have solid anti-bad people laws? In my state, all a perpetrator has to do is be in the home uninvited, and rapid perforation of their personage is completely legal!
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby Newfie » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 21:08:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')wo of the smartest people I have ever met were illiterates.

Some of the dumbest have lots of letters behind their names.


Interesting...I can't say my experience matches yours in the former, but it does in the latter.


Adam, I have worked a lot of construction jobs. You can get exposed to a lot of different types of people. Then I also did a lot of design consulting, and I worked with yet different types of people.

If you were a professor or economist your whole life then that is the kind of folks you would draw your opinions from, you would never have met these guys I knew.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby AdamB » Fri 13 Nov 2020, 21:35:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'T')wo of the smartest people I have ever met were illiterates.

Some of the dumbest have lots of letters behind their names.


Interesting...I can't say my experience matches yours in the former, but it does in the latter.


Adam, I have worked a lot of construction jobs. You can get exposed to a lot of different types of people. Then I also did a lot of design consulting, and I worked with yet different types of people.


Same here, albeit in a different combination of industries.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', ' ')
If you were a professor or economist your whole life then that is the kind of folks you would draw your opinions from, you would never have met these guys I knew.


I completely agree. Although, to be honest, having never been a professor or economist, I can't definitively say they WOULDN'T have met the kind of guys you and I know. But I can see how their professional experience might not include knowing the kind of more common folks that you and I do.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby careinke » Sat 14 Nov 2020, 13:58:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'Y')es, vt, we all know by now that you get all hot and excited at the prospect of killing people over a tv.

You don't have to further prove to us just how creepy you are


You seem to get all hot and bothered about allowing people to steal other peoples property, taking away the business owners livelihood. As a matter of fact. you also encourage the government to do the same.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby dohboi » Sun 15 Nov 2020, 13:07:01

Guess I struck a bit of a nerve, there :)

Just reinforces the impression that, in spite of many of their protestations of being 'pro-life,' the rightwing/republican party has basically become a pro-violence death/homocidal cult.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby Newfie » Sun 15 Nov 2020, 14:19:43

Hardly.

One of the ironies here is that the Democrats have become the war mongers. While Trump has shot off his mouth and talked aggressively he has not expanded foreign military operations to the extent his predecessors have.

The “cult” things seems to be your personal fantasy. There surely exists a lunatic fringe in both factions, but it is not representative of the main body.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I really wish they would all go off to Guyana or somewhere and drink koolaid together and leave the rest of us alone.


49% of Americans who voted selected Trump. It is ludicrous to insinuate that we have a cult that includes nearly half of all our population. And to wish them to commit suicide is a deeply disturbing sentiment.

These comments suggest hour grip on reality is weak, and dangerous.
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby dohboi » Sun 15 Nov 2020, 15:02:14

There's no limit on how large a cult can be, as far as I know. Though, yeah, at some point they just call it a religion

And again, I didn't wish death on anyone--just wished, since they already seem to committed to death, that they go do it elsewhere

(How many times does one have to point out the meaning of basic English sentences around here?? )
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby Newfie » Sun 15 Nov 2020, 19:28:43

Oh I understand your meaning very well, even as you try to back pedal. As an English Professor I assume you chose your words when you wised the to drink the poison kool aide.


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') really wish they would all go off to Guyana or somewhere and drink koolaid together and leave the rest of us alone.


Yeah, I’m not hearing “ I didn't wish death on anyone.” anywhere in that above statement.

So “they - Republicans” are a religious cult but “you - Democrats” are not. 8O

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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby AdamB » Sun 15 Nov 2020, 21:36:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
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How many times does one have to quote actual laws to those who want to hallucinate their own interpretation of when lethal force is legal?
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Re: Police Brutality Thread Pt. 3

Postby dohboi » Sun 15 Nov 2020, 22:11:18

Out of context fallacy raises its head once again :lol: :lol: :lol:

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