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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mustang19', '
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Actually, at the moment, the wind industry is under layoffs. If it dies within, maybe, 2 years well see.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Yeast', 'A')fter about 10 years I am in plus on the budget at current electricity pricing.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mustang19', '
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Actually, at the moment, the wind industry is under layoffs. If it dies within, maybe, 2 years well see.

[REAL Green]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'Y')ou obviously have not been paying attention to what Biden and Harris have promised to do about green energy and moving away from fossil fuels.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') That is a promise to spend money we don't have to achieve a goal we can't reach so it is a political promise that I can believe.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('REAL Green', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'Y')ou obviously have not been paying attention to what Biden and Harris have promised to do about green energy and moving away from fossil fuels.

[REAL Green]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('REAL Green', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'Y')ou obviously have not been paying attention to what Biden and Harris have promised to do about green energy and moving away from fossil fuels.

[Newfie]

Lets keep the political comments on the political threads please.

I use both wind and solar extensively. We also use some fossil fuel, kerosene, for cooking. Diesel for the motor. Gas for the car when ashore.

Lots of fossil fuel is used for our cloths, ropes, sails, fairing and epoxy paints.

We are a loong way from zero reliance in fossil fuels. The fastest, easiest, surest way is to limit our use. Less waste. Greater efficiency. Recycling.

There is lots of fossil fuel in the solar and wind life cycle.

Proportionately that would be reduced if we used less energy to start with.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Yeast', 'A')fter about 10 years I am in plus on the budget at current electricity pricing.

[kublikhan]

Speaking of facts, there was alot of BS in this thread recently. Lets return to facts shall we?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mustang19', 'I') dont know if this has been said but wind and solar dont actually... work. Say steel costs 1mwh per ton, and glass costs 100x more. A 40 ton 1gwh per year turbine costs 5gwh.

[Peak_Yeast]

Since I have already had my inverters and 9KW solar panels for 10 years now and they earned their own production energy and materials costs in the first 2 years I am solidly in the plus according to the producers energy budget for them. The actual costs of the system was recuperated in about 5 years. And this old system was far more expensive than the new system

Besides .. I am an electrical engineer. I know exactly what can go wrong with inverters and I can fix every single problem.

The batteries... Yes.. But it is highly unlikely that more than a few cells die and needs replacement. Besides there is 5 year warranty and it is likely that dying cells will die before that period since it is a failure of production.

But the batteries are not going to be cycled hard - because the capacity is larger than needed for 90% of the year. According to the datasheets they should last about 10.000 cycles and probably more.

You can go about being negative - I let fools be fools if they want to be.

So the reality is... No matter if you like it or not. My system will extend the fossil fuel investment by a factor of at least 5 and probably much more. Or an EROEI of 5-10 at LEAST.

And if effort is put into it - the EROEI can be much higher.

[Newfie]

Peak,

Good for you. But you are not a “typical” user. Most folks have no practical skill and cant do what you do. You can not accurately project your success into the general population.

Power companies should he able to do better than you, but not the average guy.

[mustang19]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Yeast', 'S')ince I have already had my inverters and 9KW solar panels for 10 years now and they earned their own production energy and materials costs in the first 2 years I am solidly in the plus according to the producers energy budget for them. The actual costs of the system was recuperated in about 5 years. And this old system was far more expensive than the new system

Besides .. I am an electrical engineer. I know exactly what can go wrong with inverters and I can fix every single problem.

The batteries... Yes.. But it is highly unlikely that more than a few cells die and needs replacement. Besides there is 5 year warranty and it is likely that dying cells will die before that period since it is a failure of production.

But the batteries are not going to be cycled hard - because the capacity is larger than needed for 90% of the year. According to the datasheets they should last about 10.000 cycles and probably more.

You can go about being negative - I let fools be fools if they want to be.

So the reality is... No matter if you like it or not. My system will extend the fossil fuel investment by a factor of at least 5 and probably much more. Or an EROEI of 5-10 at LEAST.

And if effort is put into it - the EROEI can be much higher.

[vtsnowedin]

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Residential is cheap. The other 90% of energy is used for food, cars, cities whatever. That will dry up.

And it's not my opinion, right now the issue appears on the fence but well know within 2 years.

[Peak_Yeast]

It is absolutely technically possible to change to a solar powered society worldwide. The question is if our rich people and the politicians are willing to change away from using massive amounts of resources on a wasteful, idiotic way of living and working in the rich countries until the transition has been made.

The only reason its not possible is because those who decides where the resources go are too rigid in their ways. Which is entirely possible.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Yeast', 'I')t is absolutely technically possible to change to a solar powered society worldwide. The question is if our rich people and the politicians are willing to change away from using massive amounts of resources on a wasteful, idiotic way of living and working in the rich countries until the transition has been made.

The only reason its not possible is because those who decides where the resources go are too rigid in their ways. Which is entirely possible.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Yeast', '
')Besides .. I am an electrical engineer. I know exactly what can go wrong with inverters and I can fix every single problem.

[mustang19]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mustang19', '
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Residential is cheap. The other 90% of energy is used for food, cars, cities whatever. That will dry up.

And it's not my opinion, right now the issue appears on the fence but well know within 2 years.

[Newfie]

Mustang,

Living in temperate climates, at our population levels, is a modern luxury, that is not sustainable.

[mustang19]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'M')ustang,

Living in temperate climates, at our population levels, is a modern luxury, that is not sustainable.