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Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

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Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby Zarquon » Fri 13 Dec 2019, 16:33:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'W')ithin tribal societies, a big part of survival was trying to anticipate the future. So everyone has deep-seated drives to predict the future in order to raise our social-status. It doesn't have to be doom. It's anything as simple as betting on college sports or the next presidential election or whether Rise of Skywalker will bomb. It's just part of being human. When you're right you get a quick dopamine hit which is why gambling is an addiction. That dopamine hit is evolutionary psych right there.


"Ugggh. No more food in this valley. I predict empty stomachs."

Days later... "I'm hungry. Perhaps you were right! Let's go to the next valley."

Days later... "Nice valley here. Plenty to eat. I feel good. Let's build a casino and feel even better!"

Bingo! Civilization!
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby Zarquon » Fri 13 Dec 2019, 16:36:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '
')But if they accidentally get something meaningful right, chalking up that "win" against hundreds or thousands of losses is a track record they'd have to be almost COMPLETELY delusional about to be proud of.


At some point you can't go back without losing face.
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby evilgenius » Wed 18 Dec 2019, 17:02:13

If one is the least bit honest, they will have to admit that they must become, at some point, a prophet to their own selves. This is necessary because to form an understanding of the world as it spans so many facets, it becomes necessary to model the world to yourself. Models are the best way to figure out what is going on in complex human dynamics, like politics or the economy. Without the ability to form relevant hypotheses, one's model can get too far out of touch with reality. There is plenty of proof that sort of human condition can endure as long as most people's lifetimes. For that reason, it's a sad thing when neither political side can see the other's validity.
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby evilgenius » Thu 27 Feb 2020, 17:45:08

I suppose I should say that I don't think that prophecy is about foretelling the future. I think it is about communicating the words of God. It's about telling people what God thinks of them. What God wants to say to them. That can be both good and bad.
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby Pops » Sun 08 Mar 2020, 23:21:22

I'm no prophet.
So I try to plan for anything, including nothing.
Makes me not-for-prophet I guess
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby Newfie » Mon 28 Sep 2020, 07:37:44

Welcome aboard.

I had not heard of that person.
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby jedrider » Mon 28 Sep 2020, 19:02:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilgenius', 'I')f one is the least bit honest, they will have to admit that they must become, at some point, a prophet to their own selves. This is necessary because to form an understanding of the world as it spans so many facets, it becomes necessary to model the world to yourself. Models are the best way to figure out what is going on in complex human dynamics, like politics or the economy. Without the ability to form relevant hypotheses, one's model can get too far out of touch with reality. There is plenty of proof that sort of human condition can endure as long as most people's lifetimes. For that reason, it's a sad thing when neither political side can see the other's validity.


If one can't model the world to oneself, there's always TV and even a church not far away.
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 28 Sep 2020, 19:11:40

Watch out for prophets who are mainly concerned with making profits.

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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby dohboi » Thu 01 Oct 2020, 00:57:05

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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 01 Oct 2020, 15:24:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RichKiddey', 'I') think no, if I become a prophet I will want to look for my death day and just for other bad dates of my life.

Agree 100%.

There was a terrific modern (90's, I think) Twilight Zone episode where people all were reincarnated after each life, and could remember multiple past lives. Serious depression was rampant because they knew for sure how random things were and how much unhappiness a typical life would include.

The highly demanded doctor in the episode was kept very busy helping people FORGET their past lives. A very nice twist on reality, I thought, and a reminder of the adage, "Be careful what you wish for".
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Thu 01 Oct 2020, 15:29:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'W')atch out for prophets who are mainly concerned with making profits.

Cheers!

Which would be pretty much the entire stock market advice industry, be it "full service" brokers giving expensive advice, old school newsletters, or the modern internet websites with endless pretensions on being seers, for a price.

If ANY of that were worth a nickel as far as prescience, instead of selling it, they'd be trading on it and becoming very rich indeed, over time.
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
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Re: Do You Desire to be a Prophet?

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 01 Oct 2020, 17:42:38

Prophet Mohammed had quite a good life... Now over a billion of fools are still following him...so?
Why not?
Being a prophet is quite a good job!
All you need to learn is to say lies and statements opened to interpretation and you will pass by.

Mind you, I have met one time a guy I consider a prophet.
This was in Polish countryside while walking with my wife.
We met and befriended a lone walker who was looking intelligent, cheerful and a bit tipsy b ut not drunk.
After about an hour of walk he told us that he is a prophet.
So he told me very clearly and without any error Chinese name of my wife.
A while later he have asked me "do you want me to tell you when your grandma have died?"
Then he have said her date of death and the town where it happened.
I have never seen him in the past and never again after this walk and possibility that he was my family member unknown to me is very remote.
Concerning future he have told me about car crash which I am going to have year later (he named year and month and specified that car will go for scrap but I will walk out without a single bruise - correct).
He asked me - do you want to know more about your future?
My answer was resounding NO!
His remark on that was following "it is a good idea as knowing future may be affecting it. I am not sure, but I think it does.
Fortune telling which I practice may not only be stating a future but also making a future"


Now you have remark of a very wise man, the one who knows what he is talking about - it may not be wise to attempt to know your future, even if you can.

He told me that he is never doing fortune telling for money, but sometimes he likes to say something to a stranger, just casually.
We have never met again.
Whenever I recall this guy it feels surreal.
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