[dohboi]

I heard an interesting comparison the other day--

Judas Iscariot and Satan are very important figures in the history and theology of Christianity.

But it would be...odd and jarring for most X's if they walked into church one day and found there to be large statues erected to each. In fact, they would probably demand that they be torn down, if they didn't start the process immediately themselves!

This is pretty much the experience that Blacks and many of the rest of us have seeing monuments erected to those who chose to try to violently destroy the United States of America (among others).

We're not trying to deny history, just saying we shouldn't exalt the worst figures in our history. If we do exalt them, it speaks volumes about our own values and morals.

[jedrider]

More than just history, they are symbols. A society does choose which symbols it wishes to glorify.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', ' ') A society does choose which symbols it wishes to glorify.

[Newfie]

Ibon,

Great post. We are awash in this stuff.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', ' ') A society does choose which symbols it wishes to glorify.

[Subjectivist]

Protestant churches do not have statuary as it violates the 10 commandments to do so. Wouldn't matter if it were a statue of John the Baptist or Judas Iscariot, the same commandment applies equally to all.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Exodus 20:4-6 (KJV)', 'T')hou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

[dohboi]

Most of them have crosses all over the place tho (except Quakers and maybe Unitarians) which always seemed a bit like idle worship to me. And the one I grew up with certainly had (very Caucasian looking) pictures of Jesus all over the place.

But again, you don't see big hexagrams or pictures of the devil all over churches, either, so my argument holds for them, too

(So I'm guessing that if someone objected to a statue of the devil being erected in a church, P would call them a 'leftist loon' )

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', ' ')I'm guessing that if someone objected to a statue of the devil being erected in a church, P would call them a 'leftist loon'

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')
I don't think its fake.

[asg70]

The monument issue is ultimately a surface-level distraction. I don't deny that it triggers a lot of people to see civil war monuments but that seems to be a far cry from the more immediate concerns of police brutality, etc... Society is lazy in the sense that it seeks some immediate gratification. Tearing down a monument or throwing a molotov cocktail into a police station is easy but in the long-run doesn't accomplish jack shit.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'i')f a group of Satanists wants to build a giant public statue of Satan...or build an amusement part[sic] called "Satanland" for their believers to visit, its[sic] quite OK with me.

[dohboi]

Good one, asg

And P doesn't even seem to realize that he is making my point, perfectly

The only appropriate place to put up a statue of Satan would be in a Satanist 'church' (if there even really is such a thing).

The only appropriate places to put up statues of the 'heroes' of the Confederacy would be...the Confederacy.

But there IS no Confederacy, 'cause they lost. So there really is no appropriate place to erect these statues in the US.

Thanks for making my point so clearly and forcefully for me, P. I couldn't have done it better myself!

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')The only appropriate place to put up a statue of Satan would be in a Satanist 'church' (if there even really is such a thing).

[dohboi]

Your arguments keep on supporting mine, so thanks.

Yes, Confederate leaders are part of US history just like Satan is part of most Christian theology. But we don't erect pictures or statues of Satan in Christian churches, and for the same reason we shouldn't erect statues of figures who came close to destroying the Union prominently in the public space of the US.

So now we're back to where we were...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghj5V5cUo1s

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')Confederate leaders are part of US history just like Satan is part of most Christian theology. But we don't erect pictures or statues of Satan in Christian churches, and for the same reason we shouldn't erect statues of figures who came close to destroying the Union prominently in the public space of the US.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'i')f a group of Satanists wants to build a giant public statue of Satan...or build an amusement part[sic] called "Satanland" for their believers to visit, its[sic] quite OK with me.

[dohboi]

This has gotten to the level of pigeon chess, so I'll let it go for now, P having shat all over the chess board and flown up to the trees to declare his victory.

[asg70]

Dohboi / Evilgenius 2020!

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')The only appropriate places to put up statues of the 'heroes'

[dohboi]

asg, you are being subtle and insightful--not a quality frequently seen on these threads, and likely to go right over the heads of many