[asg70]

You can't look at the statues in isolation. It's part of a larger "cultural revolution" style event which encapsulates cancel-culture and wokifying the media. A lot of this crosses the line as far as I'm concerned. It's not about the underlying intentions. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'Y')ou can't look at the statues in isolation. It's part of a larger "cultural revolution" style event which encapsulates cancel-culture and wokifying the media. A lot of this crosses the line as far as I'm concerned. It's not about the underlying intentions. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')et's ask an actual historian, since every body here seems to be suddenly so concerned about history (tho I can't recall anyone loudly shouting about how the lockdowns have to end so that everyone can get back into museums to learn about history! :lo

[JuanP]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'Y')ou can't look at the statues in isolation. It's part of a larger "cultural revolution" style event which encapsulates cancel-culture and wokifying the media. A lot of this crosses the line as far as I'm concerned. It's not about the underlying intentions. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', ' ')There is good and bad in history but ignoring the bad, thinking you can simply wipe it away by destroying statues you mistakenly think represent those bad parts of history will achieve nothing good in the end.

[dohboi]

By all means, let's ignore context and totally fail to look at what is actually happening...

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Mobs are inherently dangerous because they can be swayed by stupid people to do stupid, violent things.

[dohboi]

Again, I'm sympathetic with your motives, but again, this kind of thing does not have a happy history in the US.

Meanwhile, I hope no one here thinks they care more about the memories of these guys than their own descendants do.



Why the Descendants of Confederate Generals Are Happy to See Their Names Go

As the Senate prepares to debate renaming military bases, we called living family members of the generals. Here's what they said.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ses-341278

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')Mobs are inherently dangerous because they can be swayed by stupid people to do stupid, violent things.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', '
')Many INTELLIGENT people voted for Trump.

[jedrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', '
')Many INTELLIGENT people voted for Trump.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jedrider', ' ')a STUPIDITY test is needed.

[vtsnowedin]

Back when they wrote the constitution voting was almost exclusively held by white male property owners. As the same group paid almost all the taxes they were the ones with skin in the game. The frontier American dream was to go out and carve out a property of your own and become a eligible voter with the prosperity that went with it.
I wonder what the polls would be like if they just polled that original group?

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'B')ack when they wrote the constitution voting was almost exclusively held by white male property owners. As the same group paid almost all the taxes they were the ones with skin in the game. The frontier American dream was to go out and carve out a property of your own and become a eligible voter with the prosperity that went with it.
I wonder what the polls would be like if they just polled that original group?

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') I wonder what the polls would be like if they just polled that original group?

[asg70]

Every group votes to further their own selfish interests. That's the whole "bridge to nowhere" phenomenon or voting for more and more entitlements. This is why, as has been stated countless times, democracies tend to collapse. A well functioning democracy requires a minimum amount of sacrifice for the sake of the common good.

[Newfie]

ASG,

I’ve become rather pessimistic about things, probably beyond a point imagined possible. I find it very difficult to keep hope alive and well.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', ' ')A well functioning democracy requires a minimum amount of sacrifice for the sake of the common good.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'E')very group votes to further their own selfish interests. .

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '.')... intelligent voters will vote for their long term interests, not unsustainable payouts. And individual long term interests are best assured by by having a viable prosperous economy with opportunities for the majority not just an elite few.