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Unread postby aflurry » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 22:16:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')My interest in being here has dropped a bit as a result. Shame. It shows up peoples intellect quite well, but doesn't make for interesting debate.


I have had periods of waning interest as well because of these comments. But I do keep coming back. there are alot of interesting things being said here. I just try to remember that it is the internet and you just don't know what you are going to get. It is a rare topic that brings together people with such different points of view, and sometimes even the racists have interesting things to say (about other topics).

I guess you just have to be tolerant. It sounds maybe like some bad things have happened to ILP to make him feel the way he does. I interact daily with people from all over and haven't had any trouble since I was a kid, and that was just kid stuff. But if someone's been traumatized, it will make them feel powerful emotions. Nothing I can do about that.

Somthing I hear even more than racism here is this improbable attitude from the survivalist set that says when TSHTF "You come near my shit and I'll kill you." It always strikes me as a debilitatingly fearful attitude.
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Unread postby dissimulo » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 22:42:16

Sometimes, I think all the world is really divided into two camps; "racists" and people who are hyper-sensitive to "racism".
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 22:54:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', 'n')on-whites / non-caucasians on this board.

just a thought. anyone notice this?

yt? you here?


In Ohio 2 weeks ago I believe a couple of white kids beat up a black kid. It was all over the news about the hate crime that had been committed. Public leaders spoke out against it, you know, all the normal hoopla.

A week ago in Ohio a group of black kids stabbed a couple of white kids. You barely heard it on the news. No mention of hate crime, a 5 second blip on the news.

See something wrong with that? You guessed it. Its only racism if its a white guy doing it. Its only a hate crime if it was committed by a white guy. To qoute a song... "Isnt it ironic, dontchya think?"
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Unread postby Daculling » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 23:05:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissimulo', 'S')ometimes, I think all the world is really divided into two camps; "racists" and people who are hyper-sensitive to "racism".


I guess my point was... if you can recognize race you are by default rasist. It's a matter of human nature to catagorize "things" and attach value to them. You can't escape it. I don't know how else to put it. I have my own feelings about other people but I must understand that those feelings are a product of my exposure to them... good, bad, whatever... they are not real in the sense of the "whole picture". It's just my world and I'm going to react to it the way I see fit. Kinda sad if you think about it.
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Unread postby Wildwell » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 23:20:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissimulo', 'S')ometimes, I think all the world is really divided into two camps; "racists" and people who are hyper-sensitive to "racism".


No, there's three: Racists, people are hyper-senstive to racism - which are both as bad as one another as essentially these people are looking for something to create a song and dance about and the rest of us who feel rather uncomfortable in between.
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 23:23:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') week ago in Ohio a group of black kids stabbed a couple of white kids. You barely heard it on the news. No mention of hate crime, a 5 second blip on the news.

In southern Ohio news was all about a doctor who killed her mother. Of course being anti-television I hardly ever watch the news :-D
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Unread postby Wildwell » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 23:30:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'I')t's a matter of human nature to catagorize "things" and attach value to them.


Yes it is which is where all the problems begin. We just cannot think big enough, our tiny brains can only think what sort of person a Doctor or garbage collector should be, makes assumptions about class, what's moral and what isn't, about the values of things, what someone is like by the look of them. In general people work on perception and a set of beliefs. There is no escape from that. Advertising works on perception, words, colours, patterns and styles; all have associations, which are cultural, and in general people like people like themselves.

Our task however is to ask questions and not generalise.
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 23:35:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'E')nergySpin I've bookmarked that site, good one. And, you make a very good point - it's not the other guy, it's YOU. It's me. Less population does not mean you get to drive a "boat car" etc., and just because the 3rd world'ers are breeding like flies, does not make the modern American way of life sustainable. This is the same point the anti-car people make, if you get in your car and complain about traffic, remember that you're there in your car- you're traffic!

My own energy footprint is very small for an American, the easiest way to make a big difference was to get rid of the car. But it's still far from where it should be. The long term plan is to get out of debt and to have energy and financial needs way down, grow a lot of my own food or gather it, etc.

It is true that there's a horrible amount of hypocrasy to sit in a house in America with 2 SUVs in the driveway and a jet-ski in the garage, and declare it's the 3rd world's problem. You have to walk the walk - and becoming more low-energy use and more sufficient does a lot to starve the multinational beast that's committing 99% of the racism in this world, the destruction of habitat and lifeways of other peoples in the 3rd world.

I think I'm going to take my white ass up to the store and commit the hate crime of buying some dinner from that nice Korean biz I like to inflict my money on........

Yes ... I was pissed off today by other people about this . Last night I started reading the article in Nature about global warming and the Amazon. I had to get drunk ... it was depressing (maybe I should sue the bastards :P). Today at work I was arguing that the mere fact of knowing that our consumerist lifestyle is destroying the planet should force us to adopt a system of values AGAINST consumerism. The people I argued with , maintained that it is not natural and that simply knowing that something is bad is not enough to justify a change in ethics if not enough people are doing it. Due to the usual PC crap I could not use the case of slavery; people used to to do that on a grand scale less than 2 centuries ago. But the fact that slavery was widely adopted does not mean it was ethically correct (even though people used different arguments to justify this).
Anyway ... the people I argued with started making the usual crap about medical treatments . But I will save this for a latter post.
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Unread postby Eli » Fri 29 Jul 2005, 01:25:23

It is the internet people.

Give me a break. If you see something offensive point it out and join in the discusion fight what you see as wrong and if you loose the argument tell a moderator.

Personally I would rather know how people think and read something is hateful so I know how racist they really are.

Anyway we have way too many tin foil hat types here that we need to deal with right away, thats is the real problem with this site. Oops :oops: I let it out I am anti- tin foil hat.
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Fri 29 Jul 2005, 01:37:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ops Embarassed I let it out I am anti- tin foil hat.

You are %*^&*@# racist scum!!! :roll: :roll:
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Unread postby threadbear » Fri 29 Jul 2005, 01:37:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'I') have also noticed the racial under current in this forum wholely aside from the open racists. There is almost a giddy sence that die-off is going to rid the world blacks and asians. Ever notice all the threads like Die-off starts in Nigeria. Die-off coming to Indonisia. Food riots in such and such third world country. A lot of posters seem to be overtly happy reporting this. There also seems to be a vision for the western world that only smart Whites will survive along the lines of I have plans for my friends and family and other people I care about *wink, wink* colored need not apply.


That's a stretch. I think what you're picking up on is the fact that most here acknowledge that peak oil will hit the poor disproportionately regardless of race creed colour. Take it from a honky bleeding heart hippy chick :lol:
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Unread postby Jaymax » Fri 29 Jul 2005, 10:22:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MicroHydro', 'F')rankly, I think this forum is among the best I have ever seen on the internet in generally restraining from hate speech.


Hmm, absolutly agree - it's one of those things you don't actually realise is absent until someone points it out.

In fact, I think that's exactly why this thread came about. It's not a big problem here at all, so the odd occasional post hits you when stumbled across. Going from not seeing any group-hate at all for ages, to maybe three or four posts over a couple of weeks, jarred me.

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Unread postby eastbay » Fri 29 Jul 2005, 16:30:25

Maybe it's because I simply don't have time to read every post on this wonderful board, but I have yet to see a single posting that denigrates a race of people.

Now, I've seen quite a few postings lately that accuse this or that PO member of racism, but that sort of finger pointing nonsense is going to happen these days no matter what people post because it just so very 'trendy'.
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