[onlooker]

Unequivically no.  This worldlwide lockdown and its aftermath will make it impossible to reboot Economies.  We have the steadly deteriorating fundamentals of Economies plagued by corruption, we have the parasitic financialization taking ever more from the productive Economy and we have the addictive  and crippling debt system and obligations further disabiling healthy economic activity. We had all this even before this emergency. Late stage Capitalism is nothing more than a parasitic economic system feeding on its  host the general productive economy.

So, the parasite must be eliminated before it kills its host. And of course we have the end of the era of cheap energy. So, in this backdrop Globalization and late stage Capitalism are obsolete.  Either the powers that be and their Corporations  change course to Command Communist Communal Economies (Resource based )  or they suck the last wealth from the productive Economies  and are left holding worthless money


 https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/14/poll-coronavirus-enough-eat/111715302/

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')Can modern Capitalism survive henceforth?, Unequivically no.
the parasite must be eliminated before it kills its host.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')Can modern Capitalism survive henceforth?, Unequivically no.
the parasite must be eliminated before it kills its host.

[Ayoob]

This could be a good time to get that one last iphone, prepare to buy some solar panels and have the trees cut around you.

Capitalism will survive. You might not. There's a billion peasants in China and India who couldn't care less which boot was stamping on their faces, just wish they'd hose the dog shit out first. We're next!

[REAL Green]

Capitalism is not the problem humans are. Behavior is the issue especially with tech leading behavior. Many aspects of capitalism are sound like private property and price discovery. It is the corruptions of human behavior that drifts in to make modern capitalism a con game of private interest over the public good. This occurs with overshoot of population and consumption. It cannot be fixed. This is a trap so learn to live with it. You can make a difference in your local of people and place. The world is beyond fixing. Even talking about world problems gets the individual sidetracked from what is right in front of them to do.

[onlooker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('REAL Green', 'C')apitalism is not the problem humans are. Behavior is the issue especially with tech leading behavior. Many aspects of capitalism are sound like private property and price discovery. It is the corruptions of human behavior that drifts in to make modern capitalism a con game of private interest over the public good. This occurs with overshoot of population and consumption. It cannot be fixed. This is a trap so learn to live with it. You can make a difference in your local of people and place. The world is beyond fixing. Even talking about world problems gets the individual sidetracked from what is right in front of them to do.

[Shaved Monkey]

GFC and CV19 just proves without governments propping things up Capitalism collapses

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('REAL Green', 'C')apitalism is not the problem humans are. Behavior is the issue especially with tech leading behavior. Many aspects of capitalism are sound like private property and price discovery. It is the corruptions of human behavior that drifts in to make modern capitalism a con game of private interest over the public good. This occurs with overshoot of population and consumption. It cannot be fixed. This is a trap so learn to live with it. You can make a difference in your local of people and place. The world is beyond fixing. Even talking about world problems gets the individual sidetracked from what is right in front of them to do.

[ralfy]

The result of capitalism is consumerism.

[REAL Green]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I') don’t even think we have Capitalism anymore, Capitalisim has a strong vein of efficientlcy running through it. What we have now is Consumerism which relies on the members NOT being efficient but by using one shot throw away stuff in mass quantities.

[Newfie]

RealGREEN,
An excellent post. I don’t think I disagree with any part of it. I feel you better explained some of my thoughts while also expanding The conversation.

Thankyou.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('REAL Green', ' ')

You as an individual can embrace decline personally and get ahead of the process but society is fated to tear itself apart. Much of this individual response is behavioral because your approach to decline is the key to lowering the destructive effects and finding your niche in the process. If you are in a bad place get out. If you can't then make arrangements. Accept you are trapped and quit making it worse. That is my take on this for what it is worth. I have been living this life now for 15 years with ups and downs of enlightenment. I was too radical in the beginning but now more in acceptance and sober in constructive change. This does not mean I transcended the process just that I am not fighting the process as much. I am still trapped and you still must battle against the entropic decay. It is just if you accept decay then you can better mitigate it by not making more decay by your own actions.

[Plantagenet]

I don't think the problem is capitalism....I think the problem is too many people.

It doesn't matter what the economic or political system is. When there are too many people there is too much consumerism, too much resource consumption, too much pollution and too much carbon production, resulting in too much impact on the earth and climate.

And as bad as the problems are in the US, they are much worse in 3rd world countries like India or Egypt or Brazil or Indonesia. Just walking down the street in a third world country is like something from Soylent Green---you have to part the crowd and push through and step over vendors and beggars sitting on the sidewalk.

Of course as Montequest often pointed out, nature has a way of fixing the overpopulation problem in animal populations.

I find it very interesting the way the Wuhan virus most efficiently attacks people living in crowded, urban situations.....perhaps this virus is showing us how nature will "fix" capitalism and overpopulation and overconsumption....one of these days there will be too much disease and medical systems will be overwhelmed and collapse and we'll see what a really bad pandemic can do.


The sci-fi movie "soylent green" was a prediction of what things would be like in the year 2022. I think we're almost there.........

Cheers!

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')
It doesn't matter what the economic or political system is. When there are too many people there is too much consumerism, too much resource consumption, too much pollution and too much carbon production, resulting in too much impact on the earth and climate.

[Ayoob]

What's up with MQ these days?

[evilgenius]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('REAL Green', 'C')apitalism is not the problem humans are. Behavior is the issue especially with tech leading behavior. Many aspects of capitalism are sound like private property and price discovery. It is the corruptions of human behavior that drifts in to make modern capitalism a con game of private interest over the public good. This occurs with overshoot of population and consumption. It cannot be fixed. This is a trap so learn to live with it. You can make a difference in your local of people and place. The world is beyond fixing. Even talking about world problems gets the individual sidetracked from what is right in front of them to do.

[Newfie]

Ibon said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It is a management of people problem.

[REAL Green]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')bon said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It is a management of people problem.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('REAL Green', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')bon said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')It is a management of people problem.

[Shaved Monkey]

Capitalism will always survive because greed is hard wired,people love bling, sociopaths make the rules and can afford the biggest guns.