[C8]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('longpig', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our entire post is excellent and, frankly, could have been written by me.

[ROCKMAN]

C8 - Still makes me smile to see this thread running: 7+ pages and still going strong. Seems like the originator gave up on the subject.

Same old complication: folks creating their own definition of "peak oil". Volumes written over that subject alone. For me it hasn't changed in 40+ years from how my first geologist mentor explained it to we when I started at Mobil Oil. Oddly enough he said is wild guess was that we would see more clear signs supporting the concept no too long after 2000. Said it didn't worry him since he would be long dead by then. LOL.

[C8]

Saudi price war, worldwide economic shutdown, low crude prices,,, gotta be the easiest time in the last 20 years to call PO dead- but these same clowns will shut up when evidence goes the other way

BTW- it seems that "Houston, we have a problem" the rebellion spreads

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texa ... 223566.php

[diemos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '
')Same old complication: folks creating their own definition of "peak oil".

[JuanP]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('diemos', 'H')istorians in the year 3000 will look back at fossil fuel consumption and it will be a bump around 200-300 years wide, and then it will be over and civilization will have moved on to some other energy source.

[Heineken]

No need to shut it down. It's a great place for discussion. Lots of very smart, educated people here. Peak OIl was never just about oil, or energy. We were wrong about Peak OIl, but are right about so many other bad things. Things that aren't going away, oh no. So, don't shut it down. Instead, change the antiquated name, and the focus. Maybe Peak Population? Change or vegetate.
Personal note: For those who remember me, kind greetings. I'm a married full-time farmer now (dairy goats, eggs, and some vegetables) in central Virginia, and we're vendors at the local farmers' market. We make a dime and not much more, but it's a life and goats are wonderful critters. I'd still be slinging hash here, but there's no time. Farmers have NO time for anything but farming. That's why agrarian societies tend to be more stable than the city-states.

[Newfie]

Heinekin,

Of course you are remembered. Welcome back to the fray. This virus has brought out a few past posters.

Good to see the old avatars once again.

Maybe we should call it the Cracker Barrel, where the old codgers get to sit and pontificate?

Look up few poster REAL Green, he is doing something similar.

[ralfy]

Peak oil is ultimately about energy, and no amount of ideological views changes that. The only time the term becomes antiquated is when crude oil production goes up readily with no need for shale, and can easily meet middle class demands of the world population.

If there's anything that needs to be changed, it should just be the "Exploring Hydrocarbon Depletion" header above. The words overlap when I zoom the page to 133 pct.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'H')einekin,

Of course you are remembered. Welcome back to the fray. This virus has brought out a few past posters.

Good to see the old avatars once again.

Maybe we should call it the Cracker Barrel, where the old codgers get to sit and pontificate?

Look up few poster REAL Green, he is doing something similar.

[JuanP]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '
')If there's anything that needs to be changed, it should just be the "Exploring Hydrocarbon Depletion" header above. The words overlap when I zoom the page to 133 pct.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '
')folks creating their own definition of "peak oil".

[REAL Green]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', '
')folks creating their own definition of "peak oil".

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('REAL Green', '
')Nobody ever said it was except you.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '
')
Peak oil ... it's an eschatology.

[ralfy]

For me, "dynamic" refers to the effects of and factors connected to peak oil.

For example, one may argue that if demand is low enough, then peak oil won't take place for a long time. That's the mistake revealed by this drama queen thread: the assumption that if prices are low due to weak demand, then we're "saved" from peak oil. But low demand is what also takes place when production reaches a peak before it drops.

In short, we've been saved from an economic crash due to peak oil by having an economic crash due to the effects of a pandemic. Before that, we were also saved from the same due to the effects of increasing debt. That's the same increasing debt that was needed to access more expensive oil, of which production can only be maintained as long as high prices are high, which in turn leads to a weaker global economy because disposable income isn't that high.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', '
')the same increasing debt that was needed to access more expensive oil

[Darian S]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '
')
Peak oil ... it's an eschatology.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')The word "eschatology" implies that peak oil is part of a religious doctrine. Thats a very wrong-headed way to look at it.

[ralfy]

Price at the pump is affected not by cost but by price per barrel, processing, delivery, and storage costs, etc., and may be mitigated by any gov't subsidies. What drives price per barrel is a combination of demand and financial speculation, with the latter masking the former, as seen today.

That's why the thread makes no sense: it tried to explain the peak oil "theory" using price, and now price at the pump. Product cost will still go up because of physical limitations and gravity, and that's neither theoretical nor a religious belief.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ralfy', 'P')roduct cost will still go up because of physical limitations and gravity