[Chuckmak]

non-whites / non-caucasians on this board.

just a thought. anyone notice this?

yt? you here?

[I_Like_Plants]

Awful, isn't it? After all, it's ok to have all the animosity in the world towards whites. You can win Pulitzers and Nobels and college professorships by slagging whites all day.

[Chuckmak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'A')wful, isn't it? After all, it's ok to have all the animosity in the world towards whites. You can win Pulitzers and Nobels and college professorships by slagging whites all day.

[I_Like_Plants]

Yeah, so?

[Chuckmak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'Y')eah, so?

[dmtu]

Racism isn't tolerated but discussion is. If you see a thread or post that is overtly racist you should PM a mod or admin, there is almost always one somewhere around here. There is an active thread right now that may have caught your attention and encouraged you to start this thread. Two members are going at it from different directions, one blames conditions set out by whites, the other blames a lack of motivation but neither seem to think that one race is superior to the other thus the discussion is allowed to proceed. ILP on the other hand may be proceeding on thin ice.

[k_semler]

Hell, personally I don't care if you are a honkey, nigger, spic, jew, kraut, jap, camel jockey, gook, chink, or zipper head. So long as you don't go to the level of blatent racism, (ethnic slurs in this post are meant as a WTF moment), I don't care what you are.

[I_Like_Plants]

I've been told innumerable times I'm a racist for doing some of the things Iv'e done to survive. Like joke around then run, dive into the car of a fellow white, fight back then run, etc. I'm supposed to have peacefully allowed myself to be killed. I've even been called, more like screamed at, that I was a racist for walking across a college campus in my white skin.

So yeah, I"m a racist. The fact that I continue to breathe air makes me a racist, I believe in racism since I believe in breathing air, eating food, and remaining alive. My remaining alive is a continuous, intentional act of racism.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', 'n')on-whites / non-caucasians on this board.

just a thought. anyone notice this?

yt? you here?

[Novus]

I have also noticed the racial under current in this forum wholely aside from the open racists. There is almost a giddy sence that die-off is going to rid the world blacks and asians. Ever notice all the threads like Die-off starts in Nigeria. Die-off coming to Indonisia. Food riots in such and such third world country. A lot of posters seem to be overtly happy reporting this. There also seems to be a vision for the western world that only smart Whites will survive along the lines of I have plans for my friends and family and other people I care about *wink, wink* colored need not apply.

[I_Like_Plants]

I think the giddy looking forward to the future is, the other people will have their own lands and stop invading ours, they'll be living happily, just the way I like them, living happily while NOT in my backyard trying to kill ME.

[Wildwell]

High costs hit the third world first, the poor sods there are going to cop it yet again. I was especially annoyed at a post that said Americans should have a European standard of living, Europeans should have an Eastern European style of living and sod everyone else.

Blacks, Asians and every other group is entitled to exactly the same standard of living as everyone else provided they work at it.

I don't like the die off threads at all. As it was pointed out the people that use the most energy have got change the most, not the people that use the least. The worst people who I would like to smack in the face are those that say 'Cars are not the problem, it's over population'.

[I_Like_Plants]

Europeans will be lucky, if they do it right, to have a Karalian Indian standard of living. Kerala in India is actually a good role model.

There will be a die-off, 6 billion and counting is rediculous. The die-off should affect everyone equally, but sadly it may not. The big thing is, without a huge surplus of population on the planet and our present system of larger and smaller Empires, we should not be trying to invade each other and kill each other off.

The standards of living were MUCH BETTER in "third world" countries before our present age of Empire.

Give Africa back to the Africans, give South America back to the South Americans, heck give the whole continent back isn't such a bad idea. I've bitched and moaned a number of times that I'd love to move to Europe and live, and what holds me back is the huge amount of money it takes to escape, er I mean, emigrate from, the US.

But until we reach that happy day, I've been told so enough times tnat I finally give up, I agree. My existance is a continual and intentional act of racism. That I dare to walk down the street, breathe, eat, drink, live, I am practicing racism. You could argue that a person of another race could arguably be committing racism too, but no, this only applies to whites.

[Jaymax]

It is quite clear to me that of late there has been a distinct increase in distasteful generalisations aimed at some 'THEM' or other around here. It's ranged from a bit of anti-european directed comments in response to critiques of American foriegn policy, to quite a lot of anti-muslim comments in response to the london events, to simple xenophobic racism.

My interest in being here has dropped a bit as a result. Shame. It shows up peoples intellect quite well, but doesn't make for interesting debate.

--J

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', ''')Cars are not the problem, it's over population'.

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'I')t is quite clear to me that of late there has been a distinct increase in distasteful generalisations aimed at some 'THEM' or other around here. It's ranged from a bit of anti-european directed comments in response to critiques of American foriegn policy, to quite a lot of anti-muslim comments in response to the london events, to simple xenophobic racism.

My interest in being here has dropped a bit as a result. Shame. It shows up peoples intellect quite well, but doesn't make for interesting debate.

--J

[I_Like_Plants]

EnergySpin I've bookmarked that site, good one. And, you make a very good point - it's not the other guy, it's YOU. It's me. Less population does not mean you get to drive a "boat car" etc., and just because the 3rd world'ers are breeding like flies, does not make the modern American way of life sustainable. This is the same point the anti-car people make, if you get in your car and complain about traffic, remember that you're there in your car- you're traffic!

My own energy footprint is very small for an American, the easiest way to make a big difference was to get rid of the car. But it's still far from where it should be. The long term plan is to get out of debt and to have energy and financial needs way down, grow a lot of my own food or gather it, etc.

It is true that there's a horrible amount of hypocrasy to sit in a house in America with 2 SUVs in the driveway and a jet-ski in the garage, and declare it's the 3rd world's problem. You have to walk the walk - and becoming more low-energy use and more sufficient does a lot to starve the multinational beast that's committing 99% of the racism in this world, the destruction of habitat and lifeways of other peoples in the 3rd world.

I think I'm going to take my white ass up to the store and commit the hate crime of buying some dinner from that nice Korean biz I like to inflict my money on........

[Jaymax]

The point is people won't criticise and debate [insert geopower] foriegn policy if they think they're going to get some generalised attack back.

I'd hate to think we couldn't talk about islamic extremism, or that many muslims around the world (and indeed within the west) are anti-west. What I have quite clearly seen lately are a few generalised (and to me, offensive) bigoted or knee-jerk statements.

Apologies for not being arsed to go dig some examples - it's late and I'm going to bed instead. Again, the issue is with generalising critisism to include an entire arbitrary group, or knee-jerk reactive attacking comments in response to pointed debate.

Wildwell, I've seen some of your comments, and they're the very opposite of the variety (to be fair, only a handful) that I've thought offensive.

--J

[Daculling]

I admit it. I am a racist. I don't see human kind as one people. I see them as many people divided by skin color, religion, personal beliefs and cultures. We are all different and it's up to us to live or die by that fact. I've see many injust acts both agains whites, blacks and others in my country by rule of law based on these diffences. When it comes to the point that you codify "race" you know a culture is racist. It's gone on since the birth of our nathion. Is there a back door out of this? Not likely, it's been this way since recorded history begain.

If you meet someone and they tell you they are not a racist they are a fool or a liar.

[MicroHydro]

Us vs them is just primate politics. It has been going on for at least 5 million years as our chimp cousins behave in the same manner. Sometimes class, religion or politics divides, almost always 'race' - whatever that is. We are all stupid monkeys.

Frankly, I think this forum is among the best I have ever seen on the internet in generally restraining from hate speech. I have at times been guilty of saying negative things about people who cling to various ancient beliefs in the supernatural. But the (mostly) respectful messages on the forum have here motivated me to keep my comments (usually) civil.