by evilgenius » Sat 07 Mar 2020, 17:43:54
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '
')Yup, everything is hitting at once.
Of course. Let's pretend like ALL those things are brand new and are ALL "hitting at once".
Because if braying constant doom for decades doesn't work, more FUD spreading perhaps will.
Meanwhile, even though as usual, plenty of problems occur, some very nasty: BAU continues apace over time, warts and all, hiccups and all.
I've been waiting to see if people will see a link between global warming and pandemics. I'm not saying there is one. For me to accept that I need to see some science first. I just wondered if people would jump to that conclusion.
by Azothius » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 04:46:20
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', '
')Yup, everything is hitting at once.
Of course. Let's pretend like ALL those things are brand new and are ALL "hitting at once".
Because if braying constant doom for decades doesn't work, more FUD spreading perhaps will.
Meanwhile, even though as usual, plenty of problems occur, some very nasty: BAU continues apace over time, warts and all, hiccups and all.
No one suggested that "those things are all band new". For some of those items, we are experiencing cumulative effects/results that have built up over years. Some items have just developed, and suggest negative implications for those things that have built up over the years.
I would not say that the moment "BAU continues apace..."
Yes, you said "over time", perhaps "just a hiccup". For that, we shall see.
Not sure why you take such ugly pleasure in bashing those who seek situational awareness at the highest level. You might want to look into the ugliness within your own character.
Ragnarok is Coming
by Pops » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 13:23:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'T')his site will remain a ghost town because the central premise of peak oil doom failed and remains a failure.
Here is the central premise (I know 'cuz I wrote it)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..any finite resource, (including oil), will have a beginning, middle, and an end of production, and at some point it will reach a level of maximum output...
peakoil.com/what-is-peak-oil
If you can prove oil supply is infinite you can prove the central premise a failure and be a hero to all the optimists. Failing that you're just spouting opinion and projecting your favored trendline to infinity like everyone else. Pretty funny in this of all threads.
People grew tired of PO doom in the wake of the recession, the site was virtually abandoned to the spam. My personal belief was the realisation of a little actual doom took all the fun out of playing the game. That was long before fracking. But turns out near-term PO was a victim of its own success! Oil prices averaged $100 or more for 6 years because why? Right, constrained conventional supply created what turned out to be an interim peak — right on schedule. The reality of a interim peak and tripled price financed the improvement of directional drilling and fracing to provide another Wile E Coyote extension to the peak.
My view is PO appeared as predicted and financed its own postponement. I'm good with that because my first post asked 'how long do we have to prepare before prep is unaffordable?' Personally I'm way more hopeful due to advancing tech—not more frack-stages or longer-bores type tech— but cheaper PV and wind, and higher energy efficiency tech. Those will be the key to the future - green jobs not oil jobs.
But make no mistake, depletion never sleeps. Oil production will peak, the only question is will we have prepared in time?
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
-- Abraham Lincoln, Fragment on Government (July 1, 1854)
by asg70 » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 13:46:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')many of these events are manifestations that the very foundations of our civilization and human environment are crumbling as we speak. So some here like out in the world say oh nothing really bad is happening so stop being alarmist.
What never sleeps is the strawmanning. I don't think anybody here denies the underlying problems. What we object to is the constant linking to zerohedge and what not in order to predict insta-mutant-zombie-biker doom.
BOLD PREDICTIONS
-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)
HALL OF SHAME:
-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
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by onlooker » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 13:51:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')many of these events are manifestations that the very foundations of our civilization and human environment are crumbling as we speak. So some here like out in the world say oh nothing really bad is happening so stop being alarmist.
What never sleeps is the strawmanning. I don't think anybody here denies the underlying problems. What we object to is the constant linking to zerohedge and what not in order to predict insta-mutant-zombie-biker doom.
Asg, you must be confusing me with somebody else. I have NOT been calling insta-mutant-zombie-biker doom
I have been talking of underlying deterioration, you know oil depletion, environmental devastation, accumulated debt etc. . Granted I have been adhereing to the ETP and even Short was not predicting instant doom.
"We are mortal beings doomed to die
by GHung » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 13:52:56
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', 'T')his site will remain a ghost town because the central premise of peak oil doom failed and remains a failure.
Here is the central premise (I know 'cuz I wrote it)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..any finite resource, (including oil), will have a beginning, middle, and an end of production, and at some point it will reach a level of maximum output...
peakoil.com/what-is-peak-oil
If you can prove oil supply is infinite you can prove the central premise a failure and be a hero to all the optimists. Failing that you're just spouting opinion and projecting your favored trendline to infinity like everyone else. Pretty funny in this of all threads.
People grew tired of PO doom in the wake of the recession, the site was virtually abandoned to the spam. My personal belief was the realisation of a little actual doom took all the fun out of playing the game. That was long before fracking. But turns out near-term PO was a victim of its own success! Oil prices averaged $100 or more for 6 years because why? Right, constrained conventional supply created what turned out to be an interim peak — right on schedule. The reality of a interim peak and tripled price financed the improvement of directional drilling and fracing to provide another Wile E Coyote extension to the peak.
My view is PO appeared as predicted and financed its own postponement. I'm good with that because my first post asked 'how long do we have to prepare before prep is unaffordable?' Personally I'm way more hopeful due to advancing tech—not more frack-stages or longer-bores type tech— but cheaper PV and wind, and higher energy efficiency tech. Those will be the key to the future - green jobs not oil jobs.
But make no mistake, depletion never sleeps. Oil production will peak, the only question is will we have prepared in time?
Jeez, Pop, don't challenge ASG's carefully nurtured narrative. He's been working on it here for years. Indeed, if Peak Oil is a joke, why are the cornies still here? No life at all?
Meanwhile, I agree on the preps thing. Not expecting society at large to be anything more than reactionary, but, here at the Hermitstead, I'm currently installing our new battery set. Our last set of big lead-acid cells was installed on October 7, 2007 and have grown quite tired. Retiring them for a new set of LiFePo4 modules. We also replaced our aging Trace inverters with a pair of efficient new Outbacks. I paid a lot of things forward in the late '90s (and haven't paid a power/water/sewer bill in 22 years). Sold some property last fall and just couldn't think of a better investment as other bases are covered.
No bills for the above mentioned things, no debts, no mortgage, no real ambition;;; the basics of our retirement plan.
by asg70 » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 14:01:39
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') have been adhereing to the ETP
You shouldn't be. You rebuked it many months ago when Short lost his bet. Once a doomer always a doomer.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')if Peak Oil is a joke, why are the cornies still here?
Boredom, mostly.
BOLD PREDICTIONS
-Billions are on the verge of starvation as the lockdown continues. (yoshua, 5/20/20)
HALL OF SHAME:
-Short welched on a bet and should be shunned.
-Frequent-flyers should not cry crocodile-tears over climate-change.
by Pops » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 14:17:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', ' ')no debts, no mortgage, no real ambition;;; the basics of our retirement plan.
roger that, LOL
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by GHung » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 14:18:35
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'I') have been adhereing to the ETP
You shouldn't be. You rebuked it many months ago when Short lost his bet. Once a doomer always a doomer.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', '
')if Peak Oil is a joke, why are the cornies still here?
Boredom, mostly.
I don't think I've ever been bored. Even while stuck on a submarine for months at a time. Always something to learn, a book to read, that next little project, time for self-reflection/meditation. .....
After my lunch settles I'm going to research the difference in charging parameters between lead-acid batteries and LiFePo4 batteries. Nothing boring about that!
by Outcast_Searcher » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 14:47:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')many of these events are manifestations that the very foundations of our civilization and human environment are crumbling as we speak. So some here like out in the world say oh nothing really bad is happening so stop being alarmist.
What never sleeps is the strawmanning. I don't think anybody here denies the underlying problems. What we object to is the constant linking to zerohedge and what not in order to predict insta-mutant-zombie-biker doom.
+ 1
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
by GHung » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 15:09:29
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '
')many of these events are manifestations that the very foundations of our civilization and human environment are crumbling as we speak. So some here like out in the world say oh nothing really bad is happening so stop being alarmist.
What never sleeps is the strawmanning. I don't think anybody here denies the underlying problems. What we object to is the constant linking to zerohedge and what not in order to predict insta-mutant-zombie-biker doom.
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Why do you object? Scared it could be true? Hear no evil? ..........
Do you even know?
by Outcast_Searcher » Mon 09 Mar 2020, 15:19:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('GHung', ' ')no debts, no mortgage, no real ambition;;; the basics of our retirement plan.
roger that, LOL
If that were more far more normal, our society (re the first world) and our planet would most likely be in FAR better shape.
I remember when a friend of mine who wanted some help with saving and investing confessed to being a "cheapskate", and acted embarrassed. I looked him firmly in the eye told him that if by that he meant he was "frugal", which I presumed from knowing him, that HE SHOULD WEAR THAT LIKE A BADGE OF HONOR instead of being embarrassed by it. (Somehow, we have gotten very UPSIDE-DOWN re deciding what's important, re material things, since the 70's, when I was a teen).
To the extent that as a retiree, I have some extra income I'm comfortable parting with, I'd much rather use it to provide income, quality education and security for my sister and her kids. Or help our local homeless and troubled vet population, with long term security, counseling, job training, etc. through a well vetted and efficient foundation who provides for such folks. VS, say having a late model car with an "L" on it, an expensive house, fancy clothes, or any other outward marker of "success" or "status".
How did the first world get so crazy that for a huge proportion of the populace, keeping up with some imagined Joneses, re an income level much higher than one has, no matter how MUCH income, one has, become normal?
Given the track record of the perma-doomer blogs, I wouldn't bet a fast crash doomer's money on their predictions.
