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Unread postby EnergySpin » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 11:32:12

This would be so funny .... if it wasn't tragic. One of the masters of disasters claimed this:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')umanity is on the threshold of a century of extraordinary bounty, courtesy of global climate change. That's the opinion of Robert Balling, former scientific adviser to the Greening Earth Society, a lobbying arm of the power industry founded by the Western Fuels Association. In a world where atmospheric carbon dioxide levels soar from the burning of fossil fuels, he says, "crops will grow faster, larger, more water-use efficient, and more resistant to stress." Quoting study after study, he invokes visions of massive melon yields, heftier potatoes, and "pumped-up pastureland." Bumper crops of wheat and rice, he says, will benefit the world's farmers and the hungry.

Article found
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IT describes potential impact on wildlife ecosystems.
I think that Earth has rightfully gained the tile of "Planet of The Morons" 8O
"Nuclear power has long been to the Left what embryonic-stem-cell research is to the Right--irredeemably wrong and a signifier of moral weakness."Esquire Magazine,12/05
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Unread postby KiddieKorral » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 11:37:27

How many times was that guy dropped on his head as a kid?
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Unread postby EnergySpin » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 11:41:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KiddieKorral', 'H')ow many times was that guy dropped on his head as a kid?

Too numerous to count :-D
The article btw gives a non-technical overview of the studies done to measure the nutritional content of food. I was checking NCBI recently for some non-related nutritional research and it appears that similar findings have been observed in intensive conventional farms. But as with anything biological some organisms seem to be affected and some did not.
However THIS MIGHT BE THE REASON THAT FRIES SIZES GET BIGGER; they are low in micronutrients and McDonalds is looking after out health :razz:
"Nuclear power has long been to the Left what embryonic-stem-cell research is to the Right--irredeemably wrong and a signifier of moral weakness."Esquire Magazine,12/05
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Unread postby Bas » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 11:44:51

it also says this:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') small but growing body of research is finding that elevated levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, while increasing crop yield, decrease the nutritional value of plants. More than a hundred studies, for example, have found that when CO2 from fossil-fuel burning builds up in plant tissues, nitrogen (essential for making protein) declines. A smaller number of studies hint at another troubling impact: As atmospheric CO2 levels go up, trace elements in plants (such as zinc and iron, which are vital to animal and human life) go down, potentially malnourishing all those that subsist on the plants.


rather interesting. It implies that CO2 will be removed from the atmosphere in an increased rate. (I suggested this myself years ago actually :roll: ) But what would be really interesting to know is by what % the plants will increase their intake of CO2. If it were parallel with the relative increase of CO2 in the atmosphere it would safeguard us against global atmospheric disaster, but that's not the case due to the other growth limiting factors in plants. :cry:
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Unread postby FoxV » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 11:50:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')crops will grow faster, larger, more water-use efficient, and more resistant to stress."

This is great, it means that all the global warming induced droughts and crop failures we're having this year is just a temporary thing and pretty soon we'll be able to grow watermelons in the Sahara.

and to think I was worried
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Unread postby rockdoc123 » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 12:03:14

Well very interesting comment...do any of you have anything sensible to add to the discussion...ie. perhaps you could offer your immense scientific understanding why this cannot possibly be the case? Or will you fall back on the normal arguments made by "climate change" moonies " it is generally agreed upon by scientists" (which is crap because it isn't) or "all the evidence points to" (which is crap because it doesn't).

Why is it that some people have absolutely no problem swallowing views passed out from the folks who are adamant about anthropomorphic climate change without the least bit of scrutiny or analysis but you have a tremendous problem even trying to analyse the basis for comments that are made to the contrary?

There is good opportunity for healthy debate on issues surrounding the concept of global warming as well as issues surrounding the concept of peak oil. It distresses me that many people on this forum accept one side or the other without actual having done any research themselves. :(
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Unread postby NeoPeasant » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 12:56:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', 'W')ell very interesting comment...do any of you have anything sensible to add to the discussion...ie. perhaps you could offer your immense scientific understanding why this cannot possibly be the case? Or will you fall back on the normal arguments made by "climate change" moonies " it is generally agreed upon by scientists" (which is crap because it isn't) or "all the evidence points to" (which is crap because it doesn't).

Why is it that some people have absolutely no problem swallowing views passed out from the folks who are adamant about anthropomorphic climate change without the least bit of scrutiny or analysis but you have a tremendous problem even trying to analyse the basis for comments that are made to the contrary?

There is good opportunity for healthy debate on issues surrounding the concept of global warming as well as issues surrounding the concept of peak oil. It distresses me that many people on this forum accept one side or the other without actual having done any research themselves. :(



The industries whose livelihoods depend on continuing our CO2 emitting activities are pumping millions into a disinformation campaign to create the illusion that there is still a real doubt about about anthropomorphic climate change. It only takes a minute to find out who is funding the groups making these claims on sourcewatch.org
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Unread postby Wildwell » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 13:58:52

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Unread postby Clouseau2 » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 14:04:00

Um, I'm quite sure that every species of crop can only grow and thrive in a quite narrow range of temperatures ... Go too much above that range and the plant is just barely surviving, never mind growing.

Unless in the future we plan to dine only on cactus.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 14:18:05

Don't forget that so much of the world's land is high up in the Northern Lattitudes. Warm the world up a few nice toasty degrees and all those frozen frigid lands can start producing crops! 8)
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Unread postby rockdoc123 » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 16:53:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he industries whose livelihoods depend on continuing our CO2 emitting activities are pumping millions into a disinformation campaign to create the illusion that there is still a real doubt about about anthropomorphic climate change. It only takes a minute to find out who is funding the groups making these claims on sourcewatch.org


Unhuh....and that was something else you read somewhere....you of course have proof that this is truly disinformation? Have you read the actual studies or just the press on it? Have you gone to look at the raw data? Who do you think is funding the Climate Change folks....you think they are doing anything for free?

I've been following both sides of the Climate Change arguments for the past 10 years or so....reading from various sources including Science, Nature, Journal of Geophysical Research, Geology, Geotimes etc. From what I can tell the way it goes is:
1. Climate Change scientist writes paper stating emphatically that something or other causes something or other
2. A scientist from the other side of the argument states that well hold on you have misinterpreted the data and/or your model does not take into account such and such....or if that is the case why doesn't your model explain historical data ...etc.
3. Climate Change scientist responds not with cogent arguments but rather with rhetoric...."all scientists agree"...or "you are not a Climate Change scientist".....or "you are being paid off by oil companies".
Sorry I don't buy this.
First off the point that you need to understand (and I've had a long argument on this forum elsewhere in this regards) is CO2 makes up less than 3% of greenhouse gases and water vapor is the most important of all...it is not taken into account in any of the greenhouse temperature models. Anthropogenic CO2 makes up only 3% of all CO2 in the atmosphere.

I don't ask you to take me at my word here....although my qualifications as a scientist are definitely better than a goodly sum of the IPCC wankers....but I only ask that you keep an open mind and question what you read from both sides. You are getting sucked in by very slick hype.
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