[Newfie]

I have an even better reading recommendation for how we, humans, work in the moment.

Thinking: Fast and Slow

Basically we have a snake brain (amygdala) and a frontal cortex. Fast and slow respectfully. The frontal cortex, being slow, is mostly out to lunch on decision making. The snake brain is just like a obsessed coded, just hunkered down pounding out line after line of code, all based on who knows what.

We CAN get the frontal cortex involved, but it’s a LOT of work and exhausting, so then it’s back to the snake brain.

Think you are better than average? Yup 95% of us (80% for females) think they are better than average. So that just makes you “average”.

If it sounds silly recall Danny Khanaman, a psychologist of all things, won the Nobel Prize in Economics for displacing the 200 year old human reaction model with something far more accurate.

[Zarquon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')But there was also some people saying that there were reports of an engine overheat before the incident, and reports Iran is saying the local authorities wanted the plane grounded but the pilot over rode their concerns and took off. And I don’t have links to that either, only second hand reports.

Note I’m not saying “This DID happen.” Only that it is a possible solution that best fits the reports from all circumstances.

At this point I’m leaning toward it just being a simple SNAFU.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I') saw a report on Fox that said the video showed the hit, and then the bang sound came 10 seconds later, proving the airplane was only two miles away. Frankly, that just doesn't line up with physics. Last time I checked the speed of sound is right around 600 mph (depending on atmospheric density), which means if it was a ten second "flash to bang", the plane would have been 10 miles away, not 2.

Basic NBC training; Flash, drop and start counting, Boom, whatever number you are at is how many miles you are from it, move perpendicular to the wind to avoid fallout. It is also useful to tell how far away lightning is from you...

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zarquon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')But there was also some people saying that there were reports of an engine overheat before the incident, and reports Iran is saying the local authorities wanted the plane grounded but the pilot over rode their concerns and took off. And I don’t have links to that either, only second hand reports.

Note I’m not saying “This DID happen.” Only that it is a possible solution that best fits the reports from all circumstances.

At this point I’m leaning toward it just being a simple SNAFU.

[asg70]

The ironic precedent here is that the russian-backed militia shot down the commercial jet in Ukraine. This followed by unending denials to avoid accepting moral disgrace, just like Iran is doing now.

So you think stupidity like this can't happen? It can and HAS happened.

And even MORE irony is that Iran said the number of missiles shot at the US matched the number of casualties from the US accidentally shooting down an Iranian airliner in 1988!!

So you have Trump invoking an old grudge (52 sites = 52 hostages) caused Iran to respond in kind by blaming the US for accidentally shooting down a commercial only to cause the exact same thing!

If I didn't know any better I'd call it cosmic karmic justice.

I feel there is enough evidence to backup the story that the jet was shot down by Iran. The hot potato right now is the black box recorder. If Iran doesn't release the recorder then they are obviously covering it up.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('asg70', '
')
I feel there is enough evidence to backup the story that the jet was shot down by Iran. The hot potato right now is the black box recorder. If Iran doesn't release the recorder then they are obviously covering it up.

[asg70]

It's all academic now. Iran just did the right thing and admitted to it. I guess they realized they couldn't cover it up and this was the path of least resistance.

https://apnews.com/21f4a92a2dfbc38581719664bdf6f38e

[Plantagenet]

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[Plantagenet]

The BBC is reporting that the Iranian military is now admitting they made a "human error" that brought the plane down.

They have apologized to all the victims.

Hopefully they will now stop the bulldozers and turn over the black boxes and cooperate with the relevant international agencies as the investigation goes forward.

Cheers!

PS...I know some Iranian Americans who teach here at the University and, as luck would have it, they've been visiting their relatives Iran. We've all been holding our breath, but just got the news that they got out OK on another flight.

Thank god.

[rockdoc123]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')S...I know some Iranian Americans who teach here at the University and, as luck would have it, they've been visiting their relatives Iran. We've all been holding our breath, but just got the news that they got out OK on another flight.

[Cog]

Like it or not if you are a Westener, you are hated by the Mullahs just as much as us Americans. You are infidels and worthy of death because you don't worship their moon god.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'L')ike it or not if you are a Westener, you are hated by the Mullahs just as much as us Americans. You are infidels and worthy of death because you don't worship their moon god.

[tita]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tita', ' ')We can easily think that Iran defense were on full alert, expecting some retaliation after their attack 4 hours before. .

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'L')ike it or not if you are a Westener, you are hated by the Mullahs just as much as us Americans. You are infidels and worthy of death because you don't worship their moon god.

[Cog]

It was pretty clever of the administration not to comment on the Iranian plane situation for a couple of days, although given our satellite reconnaissance we most certainly saw the launch of their SAMS in real time. We let the Iranians fully involve themselves with their lie so the world could see just what type of government operates there. As a side benefit Trump got the Democrats to jump on board with the Iranians.

Whenever you scratch your head over some action that President Trump takes, wait a few days and it becomes obvious there is a plan involved that accomplishes both his purpose and makes the main stream media and the Democrat Party look bad simultaneously.

[Newfie]

Plan or no Trump played this the right way, as opposed to the D’s.

Let’s hope he can build in this to get out of the region.

[Newfie]

Here is an interesting article on what likely lead up to the accidental shoot down.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ent-people

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', '
')Is it better to live in a country where we don't care what you do in your bedroom or a country that stones gays to death? I guess only you can judge that. Even though I'm a knuckle-dragging right winger, even this deplorable has learned that you can't catch the gay. The Iranians seem to think otherwise along with Russians and eastern Europeans.

[asg70]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '
')Plan or no Trump played this the right way, as opposed to the D’s.

[tita]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'W')henever you scratch your head over some action that President Trump takes, wait a few days and it becomes obvious there is a plan involved that accomplishes both his purpose and makes the main stream media and the Democrat Party look bad simultaneously.