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Postby PlanComplete » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 00:02:50

About 5 miles from where I live is huge landfill, I mean trucks bring the garbage in from NJ everywhere around and dump it. Nice landfill virtually no smell as its a huge "hole" and as they throw a layer down they throw a layer of dirt atop it. SO you got green grass over most of this huge hole, and its growing. No problem, people throw away tons of s***, its America, not quite ticking me off yet.
So this landfill has been in operation for over almost 20 years and just got the okay to stay open another decade, not ticking me off yet, as I said I drive by, it looks okay, virtually no smell, brings in a ton of revenue for the county/township I can deal with that. (Being NJ's garbage bin)
So you drive by and see a 3 stacks 20-30 feet high, as round as a 50 gallon drum, with huge flames shooting out, now I am pissed off. This has been going on for years, everyday there is flames shooting out at least one of them sometimes all 3 of them! Couldn't they build a pipe the 2 miles to the industrial park? Couldn't someone find a use for the (methane?) gas they are just burning up?
I called them about it a while ago and they said they are looking into ways to make it economical and enviromentally safe. I asked if the 15-20 years wasn't enough to figure something out rather then burning a source of energy. Since they have a garbage truck depot there (garage office ect) couldn't they perhaps make a generator station using the methane to power there little area. Got nothing but, silence.

I read that some landfills are doing just that using the gas, for other uses, why can't they all.

EDIT: Fixed the subject title
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Postby Kaare_Mai » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 07:45:45

Say WHAT?!?

Do america just dump its garbage in the ground?!? This is unbelievable to me 8O

In my country this is totally illegal to do, all burnable garbage gets burned to produce electricity/heat for homes, and all other garbage is carefully sorted in containers and recycled. People have to bring their own garbage to these garbage places where employees make sure people sort it correctly. And garbage thats in fine condidtion gets stored in a kind of little warehouses where other people can go and get those things for free.

I think its really a shame for a rich country like the US to make a practise such as that described by you :(
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Postby MD » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 08:31:49

Yes, it is a shame. The problem is getting worse with time as product life cycles continue to decrease.

Dump mining will be a career of the future in North America.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
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Postby Specop_007 » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 09:09:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaare_Mai', 'S')ay WHAT?!?

Do america just dump its garbage in the ground?!? This is unbelievable to me 8O



You got it. We dig a big fuggin hole in the ground, line it with a special liner so it doesnt leech and start fillin it up. When its full, we cover it with dirt and go dig another hole. :cry:
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Postby JoeW » Mon 25 Jul 2005, 17:15:39

i live about a mile from a landfill in PA where a lot of NJ waste is dumped. my biggest problem with that is that we can't even limit PA landfills to PA waste.
and yes, everyone should be recycling blah blah blah...

it's bad enough that PA workers get paid about half what NJ workers get paid, but some of us PA residents have to put up with Mt Trashmore, courtesy of our NJ neighbors on top of it.
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Postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 01:11:09

I ride my bike everywhere and dammit I want to be able to stick a tube in my ass and light off that methane when I have to fart, think of the wasted source of propulsion. Maybe eat brussels sprouts every day to greatly increase the supply.
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Postby Bedevere » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 22:14:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ump mining will be a career of the future in North America.

This is very true
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Postby Bedevere » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 22:22:23

In the Toronto area we have a different strategy for dealing with our garbage. We send it to Michigan.
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Postby Daculling » Tue 26 Jul 2005, 22:26:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaare_Mai', 'S')ay WHAT?!? Do america just dump its garbage in the ground?!? This is unbelievable to me
You got it. We dig a big fuggin hole in the ground, line it with a special liner so it doesnt leech and start fillin it up. When its full, we cover it with dirt and go dig another hole. :cry:

You forgot that after we fill the hole and cover it we build a golf course on it for the uber rich to frittle their time away smaking a little white ball and discussing how rich they are and how to keep the blacks and other unwanteds off their mountain of stinking bulls***.

/drunk once again... sorry.
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Postby threadbear » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 00:02:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') ride my bike everywhere and dammit I want to be able to stick a tube in my ass and light off that methane when I have to fart, think of the wasted source of propulsion. Maybe eat brussels sprouts every day to greatly increase the supply.


Where I come from, everyone does that already. The programme began shortly after recycling of tin and plastic. It may look a little odd to foreigners, but we've managed to cut our natural gas imports by 10%. The programme has also provided some wonderful visuals for our provincial postage stamps.
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Postby Zentric » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 00:14:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'I') ride my bike everywhere and dammit I want to be able to stick a tube in my ass and light off that methane when I have to fart, think of the wasted source of propulsion. Maybe eat brussels sprouts every day to greatly increase the supply.


Where I come from, everyone does that already. The programme began shortly after recycling of tin and plastic. It may look a little odd to foreigners, but we've managed to cut our natural gas imports by 10%. The programme has also provided some wonderful visuals for our provincial postage stamps.


Next time I travel down to the O.C., I'm inviting Plants over for 'cabbage night.'
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Postby I_Like_Plants » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 05:43:29

Threadbear ppl where you live stick little tubes in their azz and light their fart gas??

Quick! Someone call Tom Green! I want to see a TV special about this!
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Postby BrownDog » Wed 27 Jul 2005, 09:33:13

It would be enlightening if EVERYONE whose trash goes to a landfill would take a trip there and experience what happens there. The sights, the sounds, and the smells will make quite an impact, I think. I have done so myself, and it certainly raised my awareness of what it means to "throw it away".

There is no "away". It has to go somewhere. I have changed my terminology to "put it in the landfill" where other people say "throw away". I get some funny looks, maybe people will think for a change.

What's really sad is that where I live they have curbside recycling, but almost nobody else in my neighborhood bothers to take advantage of it.
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Postby spudbuddy » Thu 28 Jul 2005, 17:48:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bedevere', 'I')n the Toronto area we have a different strategy for dealing with our garbage. We send it to Michigan.


Yep. All 6 million or so of us generate garbage Chicago-style!
Denmark sounds like it has a pretty civilized plan...
Disposable worked ok for lighters, I guess.
We would do well to consider making things that actually last, are fixable, recyclable, refillable...
Imagine using a whole barrel of oil to produce a container worth 5 cents, that sits in a hole in the ground for the next thousand years or so.

hehe...we have squeaky clean city streets here for all the tourists to come and admire (meanwhile Michigan holds its nose.)
That's quite a sleight of hand...
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Postby Kaare_Mai » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 14:42:47

Im cleaning up my basement these days, and when the trailer is full, then i'll make a little video documentary on how landfills function here in Denmark.

Then i will convert it to XViD and make it available online. I think you will be quite amazed to see that at a normal day, our landfill is actually filled with.... humans.... wondering around sorting their garbage and collectings things they could use at home.

I will make a new thread when the cideo is ready.
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Postby Novus » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 15:32:04

The best why to deal with trash is to take a zero waste philosophy. I am not quite there yet but I am working on it. I recycle everything and refuse to buy or throw out things that cannot be recycled. My cell phone is five years old and my computer is six years old. Why throw things away that are still good? When my 20 year old TV broke I got it fixed rather then dump it in a land fill. I got a lot of weird looks doing this because it cost just as much to fix as to buy a new one but hey I am not going to be a part of the disposable society.
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Postby holmes » Sun 31 Jul 2005, 15:57:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kaare_Mai', 'I')m cleaning up my basement these days, and when the trailer is full, then i'll make a little video documentary on how landfills function here in Denmark.

Then i will convert it to XViD and make it available online. I think you will be quite amazed to see that at a normal day, our landfill is actually filled with.... humans.... wondering around sorting their garbage and collectings things they could use at home.

I will make a new thread when the cideo is ready.

denmark is ahead of the game on many issues. and germany.
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Re: This has been irking me, no pi##ing me off to no end.

Postby ubercrap » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 03:36:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PlanComplete', 'A')bout 5 miles from where I live is huge landfill, I mean trucks bring the garbage in from NJ everywhere around and dump it. Nice landfill virtually no smell as its a huge "hole" and as they throw a layer down they throw a layer of dirt atop it. SO you got green grass over most of this huge hole, and its growing. No problem, people throw away tons of shit, its America, not quite ticking me off yet.
So this landfill has been in operation for over almost 20 years and just got the okay to stay open another decade, not ticking me off yet, as I said I drive by, it looks okay, virtually no smell, brings in a ton of revenue for the county/township I can deal with that. (Being NJ's garbage bin)
So you drive by and see a 3 stacks 20-30 feet high, as round as a 50 gallon drum, with huge flames shooting out, now I am pissed off. This has been going on for years, everyday there is flames shooting out at least one of them sometimes all 3 of them! Couldn't they build a pipe the 2 miles to the industrial park? Couldn't someone find a use for the (methane?) gas they are just burning up?
I called them about it a while ago and they said they are looking into ways to make it economical and enviromentally safe. I asked if the 15-20 years wasn't enough to figure something out rather then burning a source of energy. Since they have a garbage truck depot there (garage office ect) couldn't they perhaps make a generator station using the methane to power there little area. Got nothing but, silence. Bastards.

I read that some landfills are doing just that using the gas, for other uses, why can't they all.

EDIT: Fixed the subject title


In my town, they are looking to generate electricity with the methane that normally is flared off.
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Re: This has been irking me, no pi##ing me off to no end.

Postby dmtu » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 04:21:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ubercrap', 'I')n my town, they are looking to generate electricity with the methane that normally is flared off.


I recently noticed that happening at the landfill I have to commute past. not certain how it works but I finally got to see the contraption they use to do this work. It's a relatively small drill rig with a flaring stack mounted on the mast. There are large berms around the dump so it is hard to get a handle on exactly what they are doing but they seem to be drilling in a grid pattern. It's hard for me to believe that actually tapping into this dump and flaring off the methane under pressure, then placing pipes in the hole that are already flared could have much impact on our LNG problems. Still I am amazed at the size of the flames issuing from the stack. The engineers must know what they are doing so I'll just assume it works.
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Postby shakespear1 » Sun 07 Aug 2005, 06:04:06

Something tells me that most have missed the point of the post. THE GAS.

The dump IS THERE. Whether it should be there or not is another issue. However since it is there and US is LOOKING for GAS why not use it. Pretty simple proposition but again it required an enterprenurial approach to solve it.

Contact someone at a university Chemical Engineering Dept. and see if you can interest them in doing a study on this. I am sure they can get grant money from the US Gov. today.

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